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Red Ice Radio June 13, 2014

Joseph Atwill - Shakespeare’s Secret Messiah & Vengeance on Europe

Joseph Atwill is an independent scholar who has set the world of New Testament scholarship in a new direction. In his book Caesar's Messiah, Atwill outlines the series of events in Jesus' ministry that are parallels with the events of the battle campaign of Titus Flavius. He returns to discuss his latest work, Shakespeare's Secret Messiah. Continuing his exposé on the New Testament, Atwill demonstrates that the thrust behind the famous playwright’s work was to wreak literary revenge against Titus, Rome and Christians. Joseph explains how the plays are a reversing of the typology of the gospels, from a Jewish perspective. The Bard’s hidden war on the Roman Catholic Church, encoded in ‘puzzle passages’ in the plays, is the key that finally unlocks the true identity of ‘Shakespeare,’ explaining why the real author chose to hide behind a pseudonym. In the second hour, we’ll discuss how religion was used as part of the futile system. We also talk about A Course in Miracles, the 60’s hippie movement and entertainment as mind control ops that are part of today’s slave system. Then, we’ll continue on neo-feudalist techniques going on today. Later, we talk about deliberate actions aimed at destroying the west and the current vengeance on the European people.


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26 comments:

Christopher Marlowe said...

You pretty much have to be a retard to believe this guy's theories. Atwell's theory on Christianity is thoroughly debunked here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnV0cJgTRiM

Even if you are an atheist, any person with a reasonable mind could not follow his thinking.

As for Shakespeare, Atwell admits at the beginning that he is not even well acquainted with the Bard.

A much better insight into the coded message of Shakespeare can be found in Clare Asquith's book: "Shadowplay".

Ron in CO said...

Don't know where you're going here, Chris.

Joseph P. Farrell, who has a PHD in patristics from Oxford, says that Atwill's onto something. I don't think the jeebus freak in the youtube you posted debunks anything. That filthy jew book is so full of contradictions as to be meaningless to anyone of a reasonable mind.

I don't know what your point is, but as for me, I'll never again bend my knee to the mythical jeebus, or his blood-thirsty daddy.

I've read Atwill's first book and am halfway through the second. As far as "the bard" goes, carefully read "his" play, Titus Andronicus.

Your bard was no friend of mine. A London company recently produced Titus Andronicus true to the text, and people were vomiting and losing conciousness.

A truly disgusting piece, such as only a jew could create. Great "guy", that bard.

BnC said...

AtWill calls Christopher Marlowe a crypto jew :P

Tim said...

lol christopher, when will you call in to charles guilliani show and discuss religion?


regarding your retard theory, lets rephrase it: " You pretty much have to be a retard to believe in crusty the clown" lol

Christopher Marlowe said...

Ron said he doesn't know where I'm going?

Virtually the entire New Testament was written BEFORE the Roman scheme was supposedly hatched. You don't understand that? Do you understand that there were references to Christians by other Roman nobility BEFORE the scheme was hatched? Or that the persecution under Nero occurred well before the scheme? Or that Christianity created a situation where the converted slaves would not worship the emperor?

No, you can't understand that. Your response: appeal to authority. One PhD from Oxford. Amazing powers of reason.

zapoper said...

@ Christopher

Why do you feel the need to be an angry arrogant know it all just to share your point of view?

Pull that stick out of your ass dude.

Christopher Marlowe said...

Ron, as for Titus Andronicus, the chopping off of limbs is indeed disgusting. But when you realize what the play is really about, it makes sense. The protestants were desecrating Catholic Churches in England, and chopping up the Statues of the Saints. Get it? That same theme relates directly to the Roman sacking of the temple in Jerusalem, and without any hokum.

It's a better idea to learn about Shakespeare from people who have actually studied the plays, and not from people who have a passing acquaintance.

Christopher Marlowe said...

zap: What did I say? You're response was certainly more rude than anything I wrote.

And others here can write rude things about Jesus Christ, but that is fine with you? Can you say double standard?

Is it arrogant to claim that reasonable people could not possibly believe that St Paul was invented after AD 70? Literally thousands of PhDs would laugh in your face for making this argument. Both Sts Paul and Peter were murdered by the Romans well before Atwell claims this conspiracy was hatched.

It seems that you don't have any strong arguments, so instead you claim that I sound arrogant. I am also an anti-semite, and I probably misspelled some words.

Tim said...

religion list from best to worst ( notice how each subsequent religion is worse):
1 paganism
2 orthodox christianity
3 catholicism
4 protestantism
6 mormonism, zionist christians etc

this shows jew manipulation lol

MaryC said...

Chris, you're also ugly and have bad breath, lol.
Speaking of arrogance; it strikes me as the height of arrogance to start propounding bizarre theories about a subject without having studied said subject in depth.
Also, I wonder if the people complaining about violence in Shakespeare have a problem with the gratuitous violence in Quentin Tarrantino movies and computer games.

Tim said...

@ maryc you and christopher had a thing? (how else would you know he had bad breath? lol)

zapoper said...

@ Christopher

In my mind there is an actual difference between insulting a guy that's been dead for thousands of years and us the living.

Calling Charles Giuliani: " Jewliani " doesn't help either.

You guys can argue all you want. I don't care either way but there has to be a minimum of respect for each-other. That's all I'm saying.

MaryC said...

Paganism, Tim? There were as many varieties of paganism as there were civilizations and most of them were far from benign. If that list is supposed to be chronological, you have orthodox and catholic the wrong way round. Also, where does Islam fit in?

Tim said...

nordic paganism, and that of the germans is the real european religion, the rest is imported semitic desert shit that copied parts of the nordic pagan traditions to implement christianity into europe.
i consider orthodox better cause they earlier and more authentic they no wear a yamulkah lol, the pope does lol. charlemagne brought catholicism to europe by the sword

islam is crap altogether lol, i was talking about the christian religions/ the religions occupying europe

Tim said...

cahtolicism has been much more modified and a jew tool than the orthodox religion thats also why i consider it better

MaryC said...

Eastern Orthodoxy is a result of the schism of 1055. Prior to that, there was only one Christian church which, although it had it's different local bishops, each acknowledged the primacy of Rome. I agree that the Jews have completely infiltrated the Catholic Church, but don't worry, they are currently in the process in doing the same to Eastern Orthodoxy.
As for the pope wearing a yarmulke, which, btw, he doesn't; some of those Orthodox priests resemble orthodox rabbis much more than any Catholic prelate.
As for the Charlemagne crap, I'm afraid you've been taken in by Jewish propaganda.

MaryC said...

Come to think of it, during the Soviet era, most of the Orthodox bishops were KGB agents, so it would appear that the Orthodox church has already been infiltrated by Jews.

Leonard Anthony said...

Christians rely mainly on the four Gospels for the historicity of Jesus. But the original documents of which the books in the New Testament are claimed to be faithful copies are not in existence. There is absolutely no evidence that they ever were in existence. This is a statement which can not be controverted. Is it conceivable that the early believers lost through carelessness or purposely every document written by an apostle, while guarding with all protecting jealousy and zeal the writings of anonymous persons? Is there any valid reason why the contributions to Christian literature of an inspired apostle should perish while those of a nameless scribe are preserved, why the original Gospel of Matthew should drop quietly out of sight, no one knows how, while a supposed copy of it in an alien language is preserved for many centuries? Jesus himself, it is admitted, did not write a single line. He had come, according to popular belief, to reveal the will of God a most important mission indeed, and yet he not only did not put this revelation in writing during his lifetime, and with his own hand, which it is natural to suppose that a divine teacher, expressly come from heaven, would have done, but he left this all−important duty to anonymous chroniclers, who, naturally, made enough mistakes to split up Christendom into innumerable factions. It is worth a moment's pause to think of the persecutions, the cruel wars, and the centuries of hatred and bitterness which would have been spared our unfortunate humanity, if Jesus himself had written down his message in the clearest and plainest manner, instead of leaving it to his supposed disciples to publish it to the world, when he could no longer correct their mistakes.


Leonard Anthony said...

Moreover, not only did Jesus not write himself, but he has not even taken any pains to preserve the writings of his "apostles," It is well known that the original manuscripts, if there were any, are nowhere to be found. This is a grave matter. We have only supposed copies of supposed original manuscripts. Who copied them? When were they copied? How can we be sure that these copies are reliable? And why are there thousands upon thousands of various readings in these, numerous supposed copies? What means have we of deciding which version or reading to accept? Is it possible that as the result of Jesus' advent into our world, we have only a basketful of nameless and dateless copies and documents? Is it conceivable, I ask, that a God would send his Son to us, and then leave us to wander through a pile of dusty manuscripts to find out why He sent His Son, and what He taught when on earth?

The earliest found gospels are all written in Greek and yet the alleged Jesus Christ and the disciples that supposedly wrote the gospel story all spoke Aramaic/Hebrew. If the disciples that supposedly wrote the gospels only spoke Aramaic/Hebrew, then what happened to the supposed originals?

The only answer the Christian church can give to this question is that the original writings were purposely allowed to perish. When a precious document containing the testament of Almighty God, and inscribed for an eternal purpose by the Holy Ghost, disappears altogether there is absolutely no other way of accounting for its disappearance than by saying, as we have suggested, that its divine author must have intentionally withdrawn it from circulation. "God moves in a mysterious way" is the last resort of the believer. This is the one argument which is left to theology to fight science with. Unfortunately it is an argument which would prove every cult and "ism" under the heavens true.



There is no credible historicity for the life Jesus Christ. The historians of the era make no mention of a man named Jesus as described in the contradicting and inconsistent gospels.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence...Are the new testament gospels history, where's the PROOF?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsaRQDxmLqY


The Truth About Jesus, Is He A Myth?

http://www.consciouslivingfoundation.org/ebooks/13/CLF-TheTruthAboutJesus-IsHeAMyth-MangasarMangasarian.pdf

consti2tionalist said...

Chris: Don't read this if it is a matter of not wanting your faith shaken, otherwise if you dare and you are truly pursuing the truth call Charlie and debate him on Christianity or the Bible. I think he will straighten you out about that filthy book once and for all. Either that or just listen to his shows about the Bible, he has done a ton of them. For me the truth is all or nothing, I can't be luke warm ;)

Also here are a few links to help open your eyes:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/DarkBibleContents.htm

http://www.evilbible.com/

The Persian Drum said...

Not to throw more fuel on the fire but...

The Messiah himself, alluding to the prophet Micah, openly stated to his followers:

“Don’t suppose that I have come to bring peace to the Land. It is not peace I have come to bring, but a sword! For I have come to set

‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law,
so that a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household’.

For whoever loves his father or mother more than he loves me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than he loves me is not worthy of me. And anyone who does not take up his execution-stake and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his own life will lose it, but the person who loses his life for my sake will find it” (Matthew 10: 34-36)

This is a difficult teaching even for those of us who are drawn to Jesus, and not a situation into which anyone actively seeks to be placed. But the reality is that the good news concerning Christ is indeed savoured by some, while it is despised by others.

Paul put it this way in his second letter the Corinthians:

“...but we thank God, who, in the Messiah, constantly leads us in a triumphal procession. Through us is spread everywhere the fragrance of what it means to know him! For to God we are the aroma of the Messiah, both among those being reconciled to God and among those being lost; to the latter, we are the stench of death leading only to more death; but to the former, we are the sweet smell of life leading to more life.” (1 Cor 2:14-16)

And in his first letter to the Corinthians, he writes something similar:

“Precisely because Jews ask for signs and the gentiles try to find wisdom, we go on proclaiming a Messiah executed as a criminal! To Jews this is an obstacle, and to the gentiles it is nonsense; but to those who are called, both Jew and gentile, this same Messiah is God’s power and God’s wisdom! For God’s nonsense is wiser than humanity’s wisdom.” (1 Corinthians 1: 22 -25)



It’s no surprise then, that some of us here at Mami’s open up the bible and find wisdom and light , while others look at the very same pages and consider it – to quote Consti2tionalist above -- ‘a filthy book’.

consti2tionalist said...

"It’s no surprise then, that some of us here at Mami’s open up the bible and find wisdom and light , while others look at the very same pages and consider it – to quote Consti2tionalist above -- ‘a filthy book’."

Persian Drum:

It's no surprise that some of us here at Mami's open up the bible and find a plethora of contradictions, extremely evil bible quotes, slavery and rape in the bible, that the Abrahamic jew god is impossible, and that Christians tell constant lies. You would know these truths among so many others if you would have visited the sites I posted or were a regular listener of Charles Giuliani. As Charles says all the time, you Christians pick and choose what you want--you find wisdom and light while ignoring the rest. I get it, I was the same way (ignorant faith) but I no longer live in denial.

The Persian Drum said...


Hi consti2tionalist,

I apologise if the tone of my post came across the wrong way (some of my patronising terms could have been better composed).

And yes, I acknowledge that you and Charles G (and many others) have come to a very different conclusion with regard to the trustworthiness of the Good Book.

In my long and on-going quest to know the truth, I have seriously considered the sceptic's point of view and understand why and how one can come to the conclusions you have, especially considering the failings of Christians over the millennia (my own failings and hypocrisies would alone warrant such a response!)

Even so I feel confident that with persistent inquiry and investigation, those concerns, criticisms and critiques such as the ones which Charles G brings up on his program -- can be discussed to everyone’s advantage, if not altogether resolved.

There is a ring of truth to the words of Christ, the songs of the psalmist and the letters of Paul, and if (and it's a big if) the bible can be satisfactorily established as being a trustworthy and accurate record of accounts, as well as a portal into the heart of God, then that which is contained in the scriptures will turn from 'stench' to 'aroma'.

Tim said...

maryc wrote: " As for the pope wearing a yarmulke, which, btw, he doesn't; "

yeah he does lol wtf? pope http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/thumb/1387/54/1387546279163s.jpg
rabbi http://remarkablemaven.com/images/rbrody_1.jpg

even for a christian having a man with a thing on his head between you and god? lol


maryc wrote: "As for the Charlemagne crap, I'm afraid you've been taken in by Jewish propaganda."

so charlemagne didn't slaughter many clan leaders of the north? he didn't mostly attack the northern pagans instead of the muslims in the south, he didn;t with his army defeat the lombards and save the papacy/rome? lol

you got your view from a jewbook nothing jewpropaganda about that lol, talk about being taken in by jewish propaganda. lol


christianity sure pacified the european tribes so they could be more easily taken over by the jews, and later by the jews supporting the muslim invaders, and after ww2 jews letting the muslism back into europe again lol

1492-1712 the catholics fought the jews ( 1712 peace of utrecht) for the rest its mostly been a jew tool





MaryC said...

It isn't a yarmulke it's a zuchetto and it's worn by Eastern Orthodox bishops too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zucchetto

There's always two sides to historical events. You're just talking from the Nordic/Germanic perspective.

MaryC said...

I agree that the root of the rot was the much praised Renaissance, when the papacy was hijacked by a group of Jewish merchant bankers.