tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post415788160585181556..comments2024-03-29T04:45:29.272-04:00Comments on Mami's Shit: The Alan Buttle Radio Show 2019.10.26Mamihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13298385482303078866noreply@blogger.comBlogger114125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-89563316770585174102019-11-01T05:33:10.160-04:002019-11-01T05:33:10.160-04:00I don't think i've been legitimately accus...I don't think i've been legitimately accused of failing to adequately mention "the Jews" before. I should have made a point of establishing their "Jew"ishness and then developing on the idea that they were Huguenots as well. It might have been obvious to people who have listened to all of my podcasts that "the Jews" are behind everything (especially communism/socialism), but not ones that perhaps stumble across my work while looking for information on the Webbs / Fabians / LSE. I might actually make an insertion into the podcast at an appropriate moment to establish that. Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453786060631521230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-6079476698135963912019-10-31T19:56:56.988-04:002019-10-31T19:56:56.988-04:003/
@Alan: The meetings are supposed to have start...3/<br /><br />@Alan: The meetings are supposed to have started in 1799 and continued until The Little Circle was formed in 1815. 'Radical Dick'and his friends were under constant threat of prosecution and journals/pamphlet presses and newspapers run by them had been closed down by the authorities in the years before the Manchester Guardian was founded. The years 1799-1815 take in the Napoleonic Wars (1803-1815) and any 'radical dicks' found holding secret meeting in the French language would soon be headed for the gallows pole. So I find the speaking in French claim hard to swallow. Richard the elder had a wife in a French Madhouse and he made his money on French Markets which the family lost so finding some correspondence in French would not be surprising. They recovered their finances through the timber trade, specifically the supply huts for the Crimean War and railway sleepers for rail development.<br /><br />The Jewish grandmother was Mary Seddon - b.08.12.1793 Cromford, Derbyshire, England; d.1874. She was baptized 16th December 1793 in Matlock Bath Chapel (Independent Denomination) founded 1785. The Chapel lost it's registry status in 1951 and closed the same year. I believe it was demolished in the 1970s.<br /><br />In Yosef Gorni's published <i>Beatrice Webb's Views on Judaism and Zionism Jewish Social Studies, Vol. 40, No. 2 (Spring, 1978)</i> he writes that after Richard the grandfather died (1842) Richard the father travelled to Paris to bring her out from the asylum and she then lived with him. However there is a record of her living in Paddington as late as 1871 (aged 78) but I don't know what her arrangements were by that time. She died in 1874. Her Brother was Samuel Seddon. Her parents were William Seddon (b. London 1747, d. Leicester 1816) of “The Elms”, Gt. Wigston, Leicester and Sarah Norton. I don't have more info on Sarah Norton's family. They may have been the Jewish element given the available lineage.<br /><br />Source for all registry data: https://www.myheritage.com/research/collection-10109/wikitree?itemKey=21360404&action=showRecord&indId=externalindividual-b5f835cfe8178f44d410b14d14200d28<br /><br />Alan said...<br /><br />"...I believe that all the founders of the Fabian Society and the LSE were "Jews".<br /><br />We'll look at that possibility but you should have mentioned that in your podcast...contHenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01202529113664711501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-28190711734244886972019-10-31T18:12:52.626-04:002019-10-31T18:12:52.626-04:00Thank you for sharing this research Henry. It is t...Thank you for sharing this research Henry. It is this kind of thing that i want in the comments sections of my podcasts. If i had been aware of these particular nuggets i would have included them. I believe that all the founders of the Fabian Society and the LSE were "Jews". The Huguenot movement is a significant one though and i found it interesting (maybe only I found it interesting) that these very early meetings in the very late 18th/early 19th century were happening in French (not Hebrew/Yiddish). If the Huguenots (or at least the leaders of the Huguenot) are actually "Jews", it might well explain other things at the same time.<br />Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453786060631521230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-8951961410990921912019-10-31T17:49:51.803-04:002019-10-31T17:49:51.803-04:00Part 2/
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On September 19, 1875 Beatrice e...Part 2/<br /><br />Cont...<br /><br />On September 19, 1875 Beatrice entered the following in her diary<br /><br />Quote:<br /><br /><i>The two studies I have taken up, Jewish History and English Law, are both very interesting. I have chosen the latter because it is so thoroughly different from the former, and employs a different set of muscles.</i><br /><br />Source for all quotes above: file:///C:/Users/Henry/Downloads/Books/Beatrice%20Web%20-%20Potter%20-MyApprenticeship%20Vol%201.pdf<br /><br />There is no doubt she that carried out those studies diligently because in later life she displays a perfect understanding of the Jewish conspiracy called 'covenant by which they hope to take the entire world as their own and destroy everything that they don't want or need. This understanding of the covenant and her occasional mention of it by way of criticising the jews is the basis for the often made charge against her of being an 'antisemite'.<br /><br />Indeed, Jewish academics have written at length about her Jewish background and her sometimes conflicting attitude to Jews. In 1978, Author: Yosef Gorni published <i>Beatrice Webb's Views on Judaism and Zionism</i> Jewish Social Studies, Vol. 40, No. 2 (Spring, 1978), pp. 95-116 Published by Indiana Universety Press.<br /><br />The 1978 study draws on what I have already posted but adds much more. For instance it cites the report of a meeting at the 1930 Labour Party Conference between Dov Hoz, who was in Britain as a representative of the Palestine labor movement, and the 72 yr old Beatrice Webb née Potter:<br /><br />Quote:<br /><br /><i>Describing the proceedings in a letter to Berl Katznelson, he [Dov Hoz] reported among other things on a meeting he had with Ms. Webb: " ... Mrs. Beatrice Webb learned that there were Palestinians here, and came over to us. We spoke for about twenty minutes, mostly in generalities, and a bit about Palestine. <b>She mentioned that she was of Jewish descent and that she esteemed and admired the Jews."</b></i><br /><br />So we see that even in old age her pride in her Jewish roots was still important to her.<br /><br />Source: <i>Letter from Dov Hoz to Berl Katznelson, 1 July 1930, Katznelson Documents, Beit Berl Archives.</i><br /><br />I'll stop here for now to give Alan Buttle a chance to respond then I'll continue...Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01202529113664711501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-48712003804256217132019-10-31T17:49:07.994-04:002019-10-31T17:49:07.994-04:00Part 1/
Alan said...
"Henry.. I don't k...Part 1/<br /><br />Alan said...<br /><br />"Henry.. I don't know how many episodes you've listened to but if it's a few then you will know that i'm not "Jew!"-shy. I just don't find the need to say it over and over again though because there really is no need. <b>I won't hold back from saying it where appropriate"</b><br /><br />Well that's reasonable. However beginning @7:45 in your podcast you gave (as you saw it) a fairly extensive summary of Beatrice Webb's family and speculated that there may be a French/Calvinist/Huguenot connection, however, you failed to mention that Beatrice considered herself to be of Jewish descent, not Huguenot! I think the "appropriate" time to mention this was in that podcast...don't you? <br /><br />If your "research" had only taken you to the Oxford DNB then you must know this simple fact about her.<br /><br />Quote: <br /><br /><i>Beatrice believed herself to have Jewish blood</i><br /><br />Source:https://www.oxforddnb.com/view/10.1093/ref:odnb/9780198614128.001.0001/odnb-9780198614128-e-36799?rskey=Eny7Vy&result=1<br /><br />In Potter's own biography <i>My Apprenticeship Vol 1 p,11</i> she explains her mother's unease with the nine daughters she had produced...<br /><br />Quote:<br /><br /><i>She [her mother] was destined to have nine daughters and to lose her only son. Moreover, her daughters were not the sort of women she admired or approved. She had been brought up “ a scholar and a gentlewoman” : <b>her daughters refused to be educated and defied caste conventions. For the most part they were unmistakably Potters, the descendants of the tall dark woman of Jewish type who read Hebrew and loved music—my father’s mother, whose confinement in a lunatic asylum during the latter years of my grandfather Potter’s life (she was obsessed by the mania of leading the Jews back to Jerusalem and actually got<br />as far as Paris, alas! poor lady, alone and without her fancied following) was always referred to as a slur on our birth.</b></i><br /><br />This of course means that under the matrilineal line of descent, her father Richard was born a Jew.<br /><br />And she paints a more favourable picture of him...<br /><br />Quote<br /><br />His successes as a money-maker arose from his talent for negotiating new agreements; his genius was, in fact, for planning and not for executing. He had a winning personality, a pleasant voice, a strong will, a clearly conceived aim, and a remarkable faculty for finding the exact form of words which would give him all he wanted without seeming to deny the aims of the other parties. <b>Moreover, he believed in the Jewish maxim — a maxim he often cited— that a bargain is not a good bargain unless it pays both sides.</b><br /><br />Alan, you failed to to tell your listeners about Beatrice living and working amongst the slum Jews of London in order to compile studies for her cousin by marriage, Charles Booth. Work which at times caused her to consider her blood-ties with them:<br /><br />Quote:<br /><br /><i>The talents entrusted to my care were a tireless intellectual curiosity together with a double dose of will-power all the more effective because it was largely subconscious, instinctively avoiding expression if insistence threatened to prevent fulfilment.<b> It was the “ overcoming by yielding” type of will, inherited from my father, which, when I was living amid the Jews in East London, I thought I recognised as a racial characteristic.</b></i>...ContHenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01202529113664711501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-14625754607740726842019-10-31T15:12:49.950-04:002019-10-31T15:12:49.950-04:00STFUSTFUzapoperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15726967138606494466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-80077685637118123952019-10-31T15:10:22.564-04:002019-10-31T15:10:22.564-04:00From about 7 minutes until about 27 minutes.From about 7 minutes until about 27 minutes.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453786060631521230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-56017840630479650692019-10-31T14:47:02.797-04:002019-10-31T14:47:02.797-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453786060631521230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-49010496778142438192019-10-31T14:37:24.935-04:002019-10-31T14:37:24.935-04:00The hit piece: https://www.podcasts.com/alan-buttl...The hit piece: https://www.podcasts.com/alan-buttle-radio-show-3ffaa8b26/episode/Episode-25-Checking-in-personal-developments-disputes-miscegenation-pride-month-my-latest-research-508eAlanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453786060631521230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-80013023806295090152019-10-31T14:24:52.599-04:002019-10-31T14:24:52.599-04:00My email address is public if anyone should want t...My email address is public if anyone should want to offer me a debate, though to be honest i don't see why it can't take a less direct and antagonistic form, i.e. challenge my information and assertions publicly with information and assertions of your own and then challenge me to respond. This is always how the heavyweight battles of ideas used to take place in times more civilised, not some kind of time-limited rap battle. 1-on-1 audio debates more often than not end up being about how good the competitors are at debating and not about the information. <br /><br />Henry, thanks for your comment having listened to this podcast. I think yours is the first comment about the content of this episode. It's a shame that it's left you feeling a bit short-changed "Jew!"-wise; I don't know how many episodes you've listened to but if it's a few then you will know that i'm not "Jew!"-shy. I just don't find the need to say it over and over again though because there really is no need. I won't hold back from saying it where appropriate, but i won't use it repeatedly just to please. I had already established the dominant role of "the Jews" in our society in the 29 episodes which preceded this one.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453786060631521230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-44113466678726016582019-10-30T19:08:31.100-04:002019-10-30T19:08:31.100-04:00I found the original debate to be interesting alth...I found the original debate to be interesting although<br />it looks like Alan has dropped out.<br />Henry had him against the ropes towards the end, imo.<br />My offers still stand to moderate a fair, respectful debate<br />based on information not ad hominems but something tells me<br />that's not gonna happen.<br /><br />If this kind of information is not your thing then so be it.<br />No need to tell others to stop talking.<br />Thumbsup to information based discussions, at least in my book.Scorpiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13465540813262346914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-56664253446714984002019-10-30T18:22:31.010-04:002019-10-30T18:22:31.010-04:00"I have never been a fan of "dot connect..."I have never been a fan of "dot connectors". I'm a little surprised you would say this fetch. Define "dot" Adanachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06728821254198081898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-84556071234998192022019-10-30T18:16:06.052-04:002019-10-30T18:16:06.052-04:00I don't understand why there is a suggestion t...I don't understand why there is a suggestion that posters should shut up?<br />Who cares? Discussions are good, no? Adanachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06728821254198081898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-78379495600495994202019-10-30T17:55:07.747-04:002019-10-30T17:55:07.747-04:00%%%for fuck sake
the energy wasted on this has bee...%%%for fuck sake<br />the energy wasted on this has been lost forever - The Ogster>>><br /><br />My point equally. And it still can't beat that damn Mark R Elsis thread.TheFetchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13166545763830739506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-86765391222523540622019-10-30T17:52:41.680-04:002019-10-30T17:52:41.680-04:00+++@fetch "Hard to get honey out of vinegar.&...+++@fetch "Hard to get honey out of vinegar." I think you mean you catch more flys with honey than vinger. I believe it's "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear." :) +++<br /><br />It sounded good to me. :D Maybe I can make a new one.<br /><br />>>>I missed his "hit piece" on you fetch, what was the title? I now understand your disdain though now.>>><br /><br />I had disdain before the "hit piece"...the "hit piece" was just Alan going on with more shitty research trying to decipher to his audience who and what "The Fetch" is and in his doing clearly showed he is a shitty researcher and an even more inept analyst of his own shitty research.<br /><br />The problem is with his methodology. It is boorish. He is a "dot connector" who gives really crappy commentary and even more specious conclusions.<br /><br />I have never been a fan of "dot connectors". TheFetchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13166545763830739506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-80433275892300200462019-10-30T17:40:23.334-04:002019-10-30T17:40:23.334-04:00Scorpio. No worries. I had forgotten that there w...Scorpio. No worries. I had forgotten that there were issues between us...<br /><br />Regarding Alan. I really don't give a shit about him or his efforts. I thought it funny that with 80+ comments, the thread is not trending number 1, or at least beating that damn Mark R Elsis thread that just never seems to go away.<br /><br />I find Alan dishonest, unethical, inept, among other issues. He has already proven to me that he is an absolute clueless, classless, inept researcher with a penchant for presenting an insulting arrogance that is nowhere near earned.<br /><br />I ONLY USE MY CASE as a CASE IN POINT to highlight my views above - as I now can speak from personal experience and insight into his brand of "research" which, due to his pompous arrogance, he oft puts forward a nauseating dismissive tone.<br /><br />I don't even know why you guys bother posting this guys efforts. They are largely a waste of time and a distraction to the larger need to educate and raise awareness.<br /><br />The now 90 plus comments simply being another case in point. TheFetchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13166545763830739506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-13603409836075358222019-10-30T15:00:44.011-04:002019-10-30T15:00:44.011-04:00Alan, I listened to your latest podcast but though...Alan, I listened to your latest podcast but thought it was a bit 'Jew-lite' to say the least. There's lots of trivial stuff, that can be found by anyone with a PC and a mind to look, about queer English ladies and gentlemen and one Russian lady whose gender is under attack (without a shred of evidence) from your speculation, but not much on the <i>Jew</i> in their lives...Is there a reason for this?Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01202529113664711501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-74507775658607983532019-10-30T09:58:54.383-04:002019-10-30T09:58:54.383-04:00Fetch - BTW any previous problems between us I wou...Fetch - BTW any previous problems between us I would very much like to put in the past.<br />We are basically all on the same team here. Hope you feel the same way.<br />Cheers<br />ScorpScorpiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13465540813262346914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-6282456597567232192019-10-30T09:34:37.630-04:002019-10-30T09:34:37.630-04:00Fetch - No offense, but this thread isn't abou...Fetch - No offense, but this thread isn't about you or your problems with Alan<br />although I agree with most of your other points. I just don't want to turn this <br />into an attack thread but rather a respectful debate about a particular issue.<br />Scorpiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13465540813262346914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-37778164079616045402019-10-30T05:37:59.041-04:002019-10-30T05:37:59.041-04:00Scorpio, I am open to offers but i'm not going...Scorpio, I am open to offers but i'm not going to discuss them in public. Henry and others always have the option of creating podcasts, essays, videos, etc., in order to debunk my informations and challenge my thoughts if they choose to. I don't think an antagonistic debate is really going to provide much other than entertainment, which is not the business i'm in.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453786060631521230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-16354759243203420782019-10-30T05:27:43.664-04:002019-10-30T05:27:43.664-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453786060631521230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-16446875973485816792019-10-30T05:26:48.105-04:002019-10-30T05:26:48.105-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453786060631521230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-16228887030001535872019-10-30T03:46:21.414-04:002019-10-30T03:46:21.414-04:00No "We will never forget" LOLNo "We will never forget" LOL Adanachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06728821254198081898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-64436691920184091902019-10-30T03:41:38.857-04:002019-10-30T03:41:38.857-04:00for fuck sake
the energy wasted on this has been ...for fuck sake <br />the energy wasted on this has been lost forever<br /><br />carry on <br />Oghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05591700784909972801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5440450620561193447.post-85009183652009831352019-10-30T02:23:20.619-04:002019-10-30T02:23:20.619-04:00The Hitler debate is far from a clean cut one, tha... The Hitler debate is far from a clean cut one, that's for sure.I tend to think Bankers have been orchestrating wars long before the rise of the third Riech. I'm open to hear info that Alan provides. It can be found elsewhere too. The BIS took over Canada too with the help of Pierre Trudeau 1974. So it is very possible they were up to all kinds of shenanigans since its inception. Adanachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06728821254198081898noreply@blogger.com