Deanna talks about how the Allies prepared for Nuremberg and some of the
"evidence" that they used. After World War I, the Executive Committee
of the American Jewish Congress (AJC), founded in 1918, composed of
Jacob H. Schiff, Louis Marshall, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, Julian Mack and
Abram Elkus, unsuccessfully attempted to convene a World Tribunal to
impose war guilt on Germany. They failed after World War I but were
successful after World War II because now they could persuade people,
with the help of the media and compromised politicians, that Germany had
perpetrated a holocaust against the jews.
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"the Executive Committee of the American Jewish Congress (AJC), founded in 1918, composed of Jacob H. Schiff, Louis Marshall, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, Julian Mack and Abram Elkus"
Someone doesn't know the difference between the American Jewish Congress and the American Jewish Committee!
Never mind who founded what and when, and who sat on which "Executive Committee"...lol
The American Jewish Congress (AJC) was founded in 1918 while the American Jewish Committee (AJCm) was founded in 1906.Dates are important and relevant when examining the sequence of events such as pre or post-war.
"The American Jewish Congress (AJC) was founded in 1918 while the American Jewish Committee (AJCm) was founded in 1906.Dates are important and relevant when examining the sequence of events such as pre or post-war."
You still don't have it right.
The "AJC" is the American Jewish Committee not the American Jewish Congress, while the "AJCm" is a figment of your imagination. The American Jewish Congress is the "AJCongress".
Your claim that Jacob Schiff founded the American Jewish Congress with Stephen Wise is quite absurd.
Rabbi Wise was a coarse Zionist and a 'mamzer' whose mother went to the US to hide her adultery. Schiff (who was a refined and devout Jew) despised everything about Wise.
On April 6, 1917, the United States entered the war. On June 10, 1917,at least 335,000 Jews living in America elected delegates who, along with representatives of thirty national organizations, established the American Jewish Congress (AJC). It elected Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, Judge Louis D. Brandeis, Judge Felix Frankfurter, Golda Meier Meyerson, and others. Wise established policies stating that Jews are entitled to more than mere charity, but to justice.139 The AJC elected Schiff, Marshall, Wise, Julian W. Mack, and Abram I. Elkus, US ambassador to Turkey (1916-1917), to its executive committee, with an aim toward convening a world tribunal. The Jewish Congress elected Schiff, Marshall, Wise, Elkus and Mack to its Executive Committee with an aim toward convening a World Tribunal, The New York Times, June 1, 1920. I use the designation of AJC for American Jewish Congress and AJCm for American Jewish Committee in my third book as Edwin Black did in one of his books.
Popular Jewish disenchantment over Committee policies and the known Hofjuden prejudice against the Jewish multitudes had long alienated America's East European Jewish community. Increasingly, the Jewish majority saw the gentlemen of the American Jewish Committee as benevolent despots, not entitled to speak for them. 6 In response, a number of national and regional Jewish organizations gathered in Philadelphia in June I9I7 and affiliated into the American Jewish Congress. Proving their democratic character, 335,000 Jewish ballots from across the nation were cast. Three hundred delegates were elected and an additional one hundred appointed, representing thirty national Jewish organizations. After the war, the question of who would represent Jewish interests at the Peace Conference was bitterly contested. A delegation cutting across Committee and Congress lines finally did assemble at Versailles. But the Committee split off from other American Jewish groups negotiating Jewish rights when— in the Committee view— the proposed rights went "too far." Specifically, when Versailles mapmakers were redrawing boundaries based on religious, linguistic, and other ethnic affinities, popular Jewish sentiment demanded to be counted among the minority groups targeted for self-determination. That meant a Jewish homeland in Palestine— Zionism.
Committee leaders were repulsed by Zionism. In their view, a refuge in Palestine would promote Jewish expulsions from countries where Jews lived and enjoyed roots. Anti-Semitic regimes could point to Palestine and claim, "You belong there in your own nation ." However, majority Jewish sentiments won out at Versailles, assuring a Jewish homeland in Palestine, with stipulations preserving Jewish rights in other countries. American Jewish Congress leaders returned from Versailles in triumph. They had helped create a Jewish homeland, as well as secure international guarantees for minorities in Europe. In the early I920S, the Congress solidified its popular Jewish support, thereby becoming the third of the so-called Big Three. By I933, the Congress stood as the most representative and outspoken Jewish defense organization. In contrast, B'nai B'rith functioned as little more than a fraternal order (except for its autonomous Anti-Defamation League). And the Committee, inI933, basically represented the interests of about three hundred and fifty prominent Jewish members. Nonetheless, the Committee and B'nai B'rith— which often acted as a binary lobby— were respected, influential, and adequately financed, with access to the most powerful circles of American government and business. By comparison, the Congress, despite its vast membership, constantly struggled for funds and for recognition. While the Committee and B'nai B'rith generally chose quiet, behind-the-scenes methods, Congress people— predominantly East Europeans— were accustomed to attention-getting protests.
PS: I never claimed that Jacob Schiff founded the American Jewish Congress with Stephen Wise. That was your interpretation of the comment about the radio program which you evidently did not listen to. absurd.
"After World War 1, the Executive Committee of the American Jewish Congress (AJC), founded in 1918, composed of Jacob H. Schiff, Louis Marshall, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, Julian Mack and Abram Elkus,..."
Clearly claiming the Executive Committee of the American Jewish Congress was founded in 1918 and had Wise and Schiff as members.
Your source is now given as being a report from 1 June, 1920, which states that Schiff (who was soon to die in September), along with 70 others, had only then been elected to the Executive Committee during a conference involving representatives of many Jewish groups.
Moreover, you the claimed this Executive Committee..."unsuccessfully attempted to convene a World Tribunal to impose war guilt on Germany" giving the same NY Times report of 1 June 1920 as your source.
But the NY Times report says nothing of the sort. Instead it says only this in connection:
"The congress which was attended by commissioners from Jewish communities in various parts of Europe, is expected to result in a Jewish world tribunal after other countries form bodies similar to the American Jewish Congress..."
So nothing was said by your source about "imposing war guilt on Germany"
You made it up.
See here: http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9506E6D9143AEE32A25752C0A9609C946195D6CF
As for your mistaken use of acronyms...
Here's the homepage link for the American Jewish Committee (AJC)
http://www.ajc.org/
Note the acronym "AJC"
And here's the homepage link for the American Jewish Congress (AJCongress)
www.ajcongress.org/
Note the acronym "AJCongress"
It matters not that you're repeating Edwin Black's mistake, for two wrongs will never make a right...no matter how hard you try to convince otherwise.
Henry, You are absolutely correct! How could I have possibly been so foolish as to suggest that the jews would seek formal revenge after World War I by forming an international tribunal. And shame on me for misconstruing the names of two of their wonderful organizations. I suppose a huge apology is in order. Who do you think that I should direct it to - Abe Foxman or Benjamin Netanyahu. They are both such busy men doing all of the wonderful things that they do. Or should I should send a letter of apology to the local ADL office? What do you think, Henry? You seem so incredibly knowledgeable on so many levels and an expert on jewish subjects. Thanks for correcting me. It has been very helpful. I will be more careful in the future not to offend the jews. What was I thinking!!!
"How could I have possibly been so foolish as to suggest that the jews would seek formal revenge after World War I by forming an international tribunal".
Hmm..."revenge" for what?
Germany hadn't offended the Jews during WW1.
It was the Jews who stabbed Germany in the back...remember?
The Jews had long wanted Germany destroyed.
For example, in his 1862 book The Revival of Israel: Rome and Jerusalem, the Last Nationalist Question, Moses Hess wrote:
''The race war must first be fought out and definitely settled before social and humane ideas become part and parcel of the German people, as was the case with the Romance peoples which, after a long historical process, finally defeated race antagonism''
Source: See p. 80 http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lFAl1gFItM8C&q=race#v=snippet&q=race&f=false
That's a genuine quote which you left out of your book.
You don't make the case for Germany by lying about the Jews, you do it by telling the truth.
Deanna, You've no need to apologise to Abe Foxman. He must be very pleased with you and your disinformation.
Henry, I was being facetious about apologizing to Foxman. It is quite obvious that you did not listen to the program and that you have not read my three books in which I detail jewish criminality from before the Civil War forward. I actually did not post the description. For you to base what you think that you know about what I believe based on a radio description is ludicrous. Of course Germany did not do anything to the jews in either war. The jews have been out to "get" Germany since 1848.
"Henry, I was being facetious about apologizing to Foxman"
I know that and continued the sense of 'fun' in the same spirit as yourself.
"It is quite obvious that you did not listen to the program and that you have not read my three books in which I detail jewish criminality from before the Civil War forward"
I bought a copy of your "The Ruling Elite" and still have it to hand.
"Of course Germany did not do anything to the jews in either war"
FFS get real Deanna.
No Holocaust: but Hitler shat on the Jews, big time, and lost. That's how (not why) they're able to shit on us today.
"the Executive Committee of the American Jewish Congress (AJC), founded in 1918, composed of Jacob H. Schiff, Louis Marshall, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, Julian Mack and Abram Elkus"
ReplyDeleteSomeone doesn't know the difference between the American Jewish Congress and the American Jewish Committee!
Never mind who founded what and when, and who sat on which "Executive Committee"...lol
The American Jewish Congress (AJC) was founded in 1918 while the American Jewish Committee (AJCm) was founded in 1906.Dates are important and relevant when examining the sequence of events such as pre or post-war.
ReplyDelete"The American Jewish Congress (AJC) was founded in 1918 while the American Jewish Committee (AJCm) was founded in 1906.Dates are important and relevant when examining the sequence of events such as pre or post-war."
ReplyDeleteYou still don't have it right.
The "AJC" is the American Jewish Committee not the American Jewish Congress, while the "AJCm" is a figment of your imagination. The American Jewish Congress is the "AJCongress".
Your claim that Jacob Schiff founded the American Jewish Congress with Stephen Wise is quite absurd.
Rabbi Wise was a coarse Zionist and a 'mamzer' whose mother went to the US to hide her adultery. Schiff (who was a refined and devout Jew) despised everything about Wise.
On April 6, 1917, the United States entered the war. On June 10, 1917,at least 335,000 Jews living in America elected delegates who, along with representatives of thirty national organizations, established the American Jewish Congress (AJC). It elected Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, Judge Louis D. Brandeis, Judge Felix Frankfurter, Golda Meier Meyerson, and others. Wise established policies stating that Jews are entitled to more than mere charity, but to justice.139 The AJC elected Schiff, Marshall, Wise, Julian W. Mack, and Abram I. Elkus, US ambassador to Turkey (1916-1917), to its executive committee, with an aim toward convening a world tribunal. The Jewish Congress elected Schiff, Marshall, Wise, Elkus and Mack to its Executive Committee with an aim toward convening a World Tribunal, The New York Times, June 1, 1920. I use the designation of AJC for American Jewish Congress and AJCm for American Jewish Committee in my third book as Edwin Black did in one of his books.
ReplyDeletePopular Jewish disenchantment over Committee policies and the known Hofjuden prejudice against the Jewish multitudes had long alienated America's East European Jewish community. Increasingly, the Jewish majority saw the gentlemen of the American Jewish Committee as benevolent despots, not entitled to speak for them. 6 In response, a number of national and regional Jewish organizations gathered in Philadelphia in June I9I7 and affiliated into the American Jewish Congress. Proving their democratic character, 335,000 Jewish ballots from across the nation were cast. Three hundred delegates were elected and an additional one hundred appointed, representing thirty national Jewish organizations. After the war, the question of who would represent Jewish interests at the Peace Conference was bitterly contested. A delegation cutting across Committee and Congress lines finally did assemble at Versailles. But the Committee split off from other American Jewish groups negotiating Jewish rights when— in the Committee view— the proposed rights went "too far." Specifically, when Versailles mapmakers were redrawing boundaries based on religious, linguistic, and other ethnic affinities, popular Jewish sentiment demanded to be counted among the minority groups targeted for self-determination. That meant a Jewish homeland in Palestine— Zionism.
ReplyDeleteCommittee leaders were repulsed by Zionism. In their view, a refuge in Palestine would promote Jewish expulsions from countries where Jews lived and enjoyed roots. Anti-Semitic regimes could point to Palestine and claim, "You belong there in your own nation ." However, majority Jewish sentiments won out at Versailles, assuring a Jewish homeland in Palestine, with stipulations preserving Jewish rights in other countries. American Jewish Congress leaders returned from Versailles in triumph. They had helped create a Jewish homeland, as well as secure international guarantees for minorities in Europe. In the early I920S, the Congress solidified its popular Jewish support, thereby becoming the third of the so-called Big Three. By I933, the Congress stood as the most representative and outspoken Jewish defense organization. In contrast, B'nai B'rith functioned as little more than a fraternal order (except for its autonomous Anti-Defamation League). And the Committee, inI933, basically represented the interests of about three hundred and fifty prominent Jewish members. Nonetheless, the Committee and B'nai B'rith— which often acted as a binary lobby— were respected, influential, and adequately financed, with access to the most powerful circles of American government and business. By comparison, the Congress, despite its vast membership, constantly struggled for funds and for recognition. While the Committee and B'nai B'rith generally chose quiet, behind-the-scenes methods, Congress people— predominantly East Europeans— were accustomed to attention-getting protests.
ReplyDeletePS: I never claimed that Jacob Schiff founded the American Jewish Congress with Stephen Wise. That was your interpretation of the comment about the radio program which you evidently did not listen to. absurd.
ReplyDeleteBut this is what you posted.
ReplyDelete"After World War 1, the Executive Committee of the American Jewish Congress (AJC), founded in 1918, composed of Jacob H. Schiff, Louis Marshall, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, Julian Mack and Abram Elkus,..."
Clearly claiming the Executive Committee of the American Jewish Congress was founded in 1918 and had Wise and Schiff as members.
Your source is now given as being a report from 1 June, 1920, which states that Schiff (who was soon to die in September), along with 70 others, had only then been elected to the Executive Committee during a conference involving representatives of many Jewish groups.
Moreover, you the claimed this Executive Committee..."unsuccessfully attempted to convene a World Tribunal to impose war guilt on Germany" giving the same NY Times report of 1 June 1920 as your source.
But the NY Times report says nothing of the sort. Instead it says only this in connection:
"The congress which was attended by commissioners from Jewish communities in various parts of Europe, is expected to result in a Jewish world tribunal after other countries form bodies similar to the American Jewish Congress..."
So nothing was said by your source about "imposing war guilt on Germany"
You made it up.
See here: http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9506E6D9143AEE32A25752C0A9609C946195D6CF
As for your mistaken use of acronyms...
Here's the homepage link for the American Jewish Committee (AJC)
http://www.ajc.org/
Note the acronym "AJC"
And here's the homepage link for the American Jewish Congress (AJCongress)
www.ajcongress.org/
Note the acronym "AJCongress"
It matters not that you're repeating Edwin Black's mistake, for two wrongs will never make a right...no matter how hard you try to convince otherwise.
Henry, You are absolutely correct! How could I have possibly been so foolish as to suggest that the jews would seek formal revenge after World War I by forming an international tribunal. And shame on me for misconstruing the names of two of their wonderful organizations. I suppose a huge apology is in order. Who do you think that I should direct it to - Abe Foxman or Benjamin Netanyahu. They are both such busy men doing all of the wonderful things that they do. Or should I should send a letter of apology to the local ADL office? What do you think, Henry? You seem so incredibly knowledgeable on so many levels and an expert on jewish subjects. Thanks for correcting me. It has been very helpful. I will be more careful in the future not to offend the jews. What was I thinking!!!
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ReplyDelete"How could I have possibly been so foolish as to suggest that the jews would seek formal revenge after World War I by forming an international tribunal".
ReplyDeleteHmm..."revenge" for what?
Germany hadn't offended the Jews during WW1.
It was the Jews who stabbed Germany in the back...remember?
The Jews had long wanted Germany destroyed.
For example, in his 1862 book The Revival of Israel: Rome and Jerusalem, the Last Nationalist Question, Moses Hess wrote:
''The race war must first be fought out and definitely settled before social and humane ideas become part and parcel of the German people, as was the case with the Romance peoples which, after a long historical process, finally defeated race antagonism''
Source: See p. 80 http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lFAl1gFItM8C&q=race#v=snippet&q=race&f=false
That's a genuine quote which you left out of your book.
You don't make the case for Germany by lying about the Jews, you do it by telling the truth.
Deanna, You've no need to apologise to Abe Foxman. He must be very pleased with you and your disinformation.
Henry, I was being facetious about apologizing to Foxman. It is quite obvious that you did not listen to the program and that you have not read my three books in which I detail jewish criminality from before the Civil War forward. I actually did not post the description. For you to base what you think that you know about what I believe based on a radio description is ludicrous. Of course Germany did not do anything to the jews in either war. The jews have been out to "get" Germany since 1848.
ReplyDelete"Henry, I was being facetious about apologizing to Foxman"
ReplyDeleteI know that and continued the sense of 'fun' in the same spirit as yourself.
"It is quite obvious that you did not listen to the program and that you have not read my three books in which I detail jewish criminality from before the Civil War forward"
I bought a copy of your "The Ruling Elite" and still have it to hand.
"Of course Germany did not do anything to the jews in either war"
FFS get real Deanna.
No Holocaust: but Hitler shat on the Jews, big time, and lost. That's how (not why) they're able to shit on us today.