Dave Gahary moderates a
debate between Jim Fetzer and A.J. McDonald, Jr., who tackle the
controversy surrounding the Boston Marathon Bombing event.
Was it real or staged?
James H. Fetzer, a former Marine Corps officer, is McKnight Professor Emeritus at U of M Duluth, and an authority on the JFK assassination, 9/11, and Sen. Wellstone's death.
Scholars for 9/11 Truth founder, his latest books include The Evolution of Intelligence (2005), The 9/11 Conspiracy (2007), and The Place of Probability in Science (2010).
Jim is a contributor and editor at Veterans Today and hosts a radio show, "The Real Deal", M/W/F
A. J. MacDonald, Jr. (54) is a thinker, writer, author, blogger, and social/political activist. He's a former soldier, warehouse worker/manager, delivery driver, construction laborer, and professional tractor-trailer driver (25+ years off-and-on). He's authored five books since 2009 and has been a full time writer and researcher since 2011. He currently lives in Pennsylvania. Debate-page
Was it real or staged?
James H. Fetzer, a former Marine Corps officer, is McKnight Professor Emeritus at U of M Duluth, and an authority on the JFK assassination, 9/11, and Sen. Wellstone's death.
Scholars for 9/11 Truth founder, his latest books include The Evolution of Intelligence (2005), The 9/11 Conspiracy (2007), and The Place of Probability in Science (2010).
Jim is a contributor and editor at Veterans Today and hosts a radio show, "The Real Deal", M/W/F
A. J. MacDonald, Jr. (54) is a thinker, writer, author, blogger, and social/political activist. He's a former soldier, warehouse worker/manager, delivery driver, construction laborer, and professional tractor-trailer driver (25+ years off-and-on). He's authored five books since 2009 and has been a full time writer and researcher since 2011. He currently lives in Pennsylvania. Debate-page
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Some reasons I have indicating that the Boston Marathon bombings had crisis actors, not necessarily in order of importance or exhaustive:
- A 35-year orthopedic surgeon, Dr. Stan Monteith, said Jeff Bauman was an actor.
- The guy in the wheelchair and Jeff Bauman may not even be the same person. The guy from the Marathon has noticeably curly hair, whereas pictures of Bauman not long after, and Facebook pictures before, all show straight hair.
- Guy at the Marathon had one below-the-knee amputation and one above-the-knee amputation whereas Bauman comes out with two above-knee amputations.
- It's completely against standard procedure to put someone who's had their limbs blown off upright in a wheelchair. They should be put on a stretcher.
- His legs in the infamous picture of the cowboy hat guy pinching his artery as he's being wheeled away look completely different than earlier, and looks even like non-human skin.
- He may have been wheeled through the scene twice to get a better picture, and after his prosthesis fell off.
- Woman beside him in the incident WAS put onto a stretcher, despite not having her legs blown off.
- She has no blood on the top front of her shirt in the early pics of the scene, then suddenly has blood all over her, with a look of total shock as she's being wheeled away.
- Bauman says they called him "Wolverine" for how fast he allegedly healed -- 19 days out of the hospital.
- No blood seen on the ground or on anyone's hand when he's being pushed around on the wheelchair.
- Hardly anyone at the first bomb scene a minute or so later, despite this being the one where they said three people eventually died.
- People with clothes ripped apart, yet hardly any or no blood or injuries in places.
- Woman with no blood on her face after bomb goes off, then suddenly all kinds of blood after she reaches for something from her pocket and wipes her face.
- The old man who fell to the ground when the first bomb went off, didn't fall because of the bomb, but because of something the runner in front of her threw back to him that he caught.
- No pictures of Bauman showing his whole body and bare legs before the incident.
- Hardly any pictures of him below the waist at all.
- No verified picture of him even seen in the crowd at the Marathon.
- This guy also happens to be the one who claims to have seen the bomber place a backback with the bomb (what a coincidence!)
- Shows up to make the first pitch at the Boston Red Sox game and appears at the Boston Bruins game waving a big flag after his unprecedented recovery (a tremendous propaganda opportunity).
these types of debate only serve to provide a leeway for the cia and other nwo orgs to drive a wedge between the members of the truth movement. i think it's counterproductive to what we desire: a more united front in fighting the nwo.
This MacDonald guy is pathetic. Listening to this debate is like watching Mohammad Ali box a little girl.
MacDonald kept talking about Occam's razor, but Fetzer replied millions of times that this only applies when both explanations can account for all the evidence. MacDonald never accounts for the blood that is the wrong color, carrying a double amputee in a wheelchair, etc...
When I read that a Philosophy PhD, with an expertise in scientific demonstration was going to debate a truck driver, it sounded like it would be very closely matched. I guess I was wrong. ; )
There is no tourniquet on the legless guy. A tourniquet either has to be held in place by a buckle after you pull EXTREMELY hard to tighten it or by someone constantly pulling EXTREMELY hard at all times to stop the blood flow. A tourniquet is not a piece of cloth pushed against a wound.
Two legs require two tourniquets.
Gravity and the heart would be pumping the blood out of the blown off legs resulting in lack of blood to the brain (eg passing out).
You always elevate a lower extremity injury above the heart to prevent blood loss and pain from throbbing.
A 7 days later the legless guy is tooling around the Hospital giving some split-tale a birthday present with a Communist Red Star on it.
The guy shows up at a Hockey Game 19 days later.
One smoking gun is all that is required.
my reply comment to this macdonald guy , to which i have recieved no responce, not sure it was screened out or what ,but still no reply
+A J MacDonald Jr professor fetzer sucks at debating , i dont know if he is naive or doing it deliberately , he should have just mentioned stu segall strategic
operations
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDtOWxZ1ZOQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpIkY24xmKQ
go to their website and look under the news section , they were working with boston 1ST
responders prior to the bombing on simiar scenarios ,these videos totally negate your arguments
about the bombs , people standing right next to "bombs" that look remarkably similar to the ones
at the marathon , talk about occams razor ,can this really be a coincidence? simplest
explanation is that they were working to subvert the authorities here for years with this jewish
hollywood production company with military and zionist jew DHS ties
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaTzK-2oUXQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYYKIM2AFO0
boston.cbslocal.com/2011/05/21/boston-area-holds-large-terror-drills-as-part-of-urban-
shield-training-program/
fetzer also points to obvious strawman arguments, like the craft people, which is the official
shill line being perpetuated by the likes of zionist shills like alex jones ,but he never
mentioned the israeli security firm who was in charge ,global CST ,who can be seen in photos
all over that scene at the finish line
lets have a look at the parallels between boston and 911 shall we, and their israeli connections
1) both 911 and boston , same israeli jew ken feinberg in charge of the compensation funds
2) both 911 and boston , offical investigations handled by israelis , 911 philip zelikow,
boston by the same jew israeli dual citizen who planned 911 and wrote the clean break document
for the zionist jew neocon thinktank the PNAC ,rabbi dov zacheim SPC, systems planning
corporation investigating the boston "bombings" and the raid in watertown
3) both 911 and boston, israeli firms provide "evidence" of the terror suspects , 911 rita katz
a mossad officer ,intel center, SITE intelligence provided the faked bin laden tapes
boston ,breifcam ,an israeli company (probably founded by former mossad ,unit 8200,needs further
research) compressed the vidoe that points to tamerlan and dzkhoar tsarnev
4) both boston and 911, israelis/jews/zionist own the scene of the crime, luck larry
silverstein and frank lowy WTC , just like boston, sugar heaven, forum,max brenner,
starbucks,atlantic fish,all confirmed for being israeli or jew owned businesses
also the head of the back bay business association in charge of all those businesses on boylston
st is a jewess named meg mainzer COHEN
5) boston and 911, israelis in charge of all the security, 911 WTC, kroll , and ICTS at all the
airports
6) boston and 911 ,both blamed on muslim terrorists ,typical zionist jew MO, blame israels
enemies
also fetzer is not mentioning that the brothers were obviously involved, their family has ties to
the CIA and skull and bones society at yale , see "who is graham fulller" and kathrine russell
CIA family connections, and russell family founders of skull and bones kathrine russell"
the "leaked" photo was obviously faked and deliberately leaked
also the only witness to tamerlan supposedly being run over and killed is a jew, also jeff
bauman, heather abbott and adrianne haslett davis are jews, also see bruce mendlesohn boston
propaganda marathon , another lying jew and jew owned media company nextdoor to sugar
heaven,forgot to mention it above under #4
another point is so many of these supposed victims and even the surgeons(heather abbotts jewish
surgeon) all have been in the military or come from military fammilies, the whites, adrianne
haslett daivs boyfriend/husband carlos arrandondo ,heather abbott works for ratheon supposedly
too
funny how the "victims" and "witnesses"are always jews and military people isnt it?
just like sandyhook , veronique pozner,gene rosen, the only 3 classmates that said they knew
adam were all jews, one even named alex ISRAEL
another fact that seems to connect both of these events all the major players we see in the
zionist MSM are all jews pozner biggest victim of SH ,gene rosen the hero of SH, jeff bauman
biggest victim and the supposed hero who id'ed the bombers when he should have been in shock
the caller made a great point about, the old guy from lowell you will never see dzkhor in the
court no cameras allowed for the arraignment and no cameras will be allowed for the trial just
like the whitey bulger trial that took place in the same court house , they knew where whitey
was the entire time and put him up in santa monica, and the tsarnevs are probably in tel a
viv right now , you will never see them again unless the "media" decides to stage some fake
interview from jail of them
also the watertown "raid" (marshall law training exercise) was predicted in posts that appeared
on an internet car enthuiast form prior to the raid in watertown , that preditcted when it
would take place and who would be blamed and for what purposes the poster claimed to be an
insider of sorts , the posts were reposted to 4chan i viewed them prior to the bombing, they
have since been scrubbed off the net, but they said the raid would occur on friday night and 2
teens or early 20's college kids would be blamed ,so combined with the urban sheild drills prior
to the bombings and their connection to jewish holllywood production company stu segall
strategic operations the simplest explanation is that this was all planned in advance
for jewish zionist interests ,it fits their MO perfectly ,blow shit up or pretend to blow shit
up and blame muslims to perpetuate the phony war on terror , israel gets more contracts for
cameras, spy systems ,drones and other police state technology and muslims get demonized , war
on terror and wars for israel get support , lets not also forget all the israeli trained
doctors or the statements made by israel that this was good for israel just like they made on 911
,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOsIuVq0Wdc
boylston st. bosotn jewish businesses infograph
http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/44303188/file.html
https://todoestarelacionado.wordpress.com/2014/01/14/boston-los-falsos-atentados-del-ritual-cabalistico-parte-8/comment-page-1/
MacDonald seemed very pathetic, as a previous poster already mentioned. He didn't address any of the points Fetzer made. However, I was also disappointed that Fetzer did not address MacDonalds points at the end. I would have liked to hear a good rebuttal to what was said, but Fetzer danced around the issue like a politician and just ranted "It's a staged event!". Ugh, I don't know why I keep listening to these debates.
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