The main point of what Kapner touches on is that as far as Christianity goes, there is no salvation for the Jews outside of Christ, and that is biblically correct, since all the unfulfilled OT prophecies were to the House of Israel, which were the 10 tribes that became dispersed among the Gentiles, and weren't intended to apply to the Jews.
Yawn more Judaic Garbage from Kappner. the reason why the Jews are hated is because they cause trouble wherever they go not because Jewsus put a curse on them
Nick, I can count on you to scrutinize my comments, to the best of your ability.
I think the passage you raise is one of the most significant passages that one could raise in contradiction to the point I was making, and though not in your case, as a defense for Christian dispensationalism.
What I can say is that the Jews are part of the House of Israel, in that they are from the tribe of Judah, but when Israel was divided into two kingdoms, they had separate prophets, and it would stand to my reason, anyway, that the purported prophecies for each respective house were only intended to apply to that house, and therefore I stand by the claim that the prophecies of Isaiah, for example, were intended to apply to the House of Israel, and not Judah.
Hosea, I meant, who was a prophet exclusive to the Northern Kingdom, and promised that Yahweh would marry the House of Israel again in righteousness, which as I understand, is a basis for the long-standing Christian claim of the OT promises referencing Christians and not Jews.
Your comments are thought provoking, much appreciated. Even from a cursory reading of the Bible, yes, the House of Israel certainly covers all twelve tribes, not just Judah (i.e the Jewish line).
That passage from Matthew's account of the good News which Nick referenced is a beautiful passage, read in it's entirety. After the Messiah proclaims his mission 'I was sent only to the house of Israel', the Canaanite woman persists that he heal her daughter; filled with compassion for the woman, Jesus looks at his fellow Jews and presents her to them as an example of sincere trusting faithfulness in God. His point being that even his own kinsmen, although boasting to be God's people, didn't possess such humble reliance on God, having turned to their own ways.
Matthew's final account of the Messiah, after his resurrection, is that of his 'great commission'. To his followers he is quoted as saying: 'Therefore, go and make people from all nations into my disciples, immersing them into the reality of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to grasp everything that I have taught you. And remember that I will be with you always, yes, even until the end of the age" (Matthew 28:19-20).
Talmudic Judaism may have burdened the world with many curses -- I'd say more than just four -- but God, through his Messiah, has given us at least four blessings:
1. Forgiveness of sin through the atoning act of Christ 2. Reconciliation between God and man 3. Reconciliation among all men, be they Jew or gentile 4. Eternal life
If Paul's letter to the Romans (chapters 9, 10 and 11) are to be trusted, then this current 'wall of hostility' between Jew and Gentile -- afforded by the former's collective rejection of the Messiah and their perverted Talmudic allegiance -- will one day be dismantled. The 'riches' that the Gentile nations have in Christ will be further multiplied in that coming day when 'all Israel' -- including the tribe of Judah -- 'will be delivered' (Romans 11: 26).
As the Old Testament prophecy of Zechariah puts it: “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son". (Zech 12:10)
Brother Nathanael is but one Jew who now honours the Messiah, and mercifully increasing numbers of his tribe are following suit.
Nice read. Now the tal-mud must be exposed, anti Jesus Christ, anti Christian, non jews.
The sad part of the tal-mud is that jews believe that Jesus Christ the Son of God is in hell boiling in a caldron of boiling human fecal matter and all Christians will meet the same fate. This compilation of the books of the tal-mud and the alliance between the jews and the muslims resulted in well over 100 million victims. They helped the muslims to invade murder rape enslave People from Ireland to Asia!
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The main point of what Kapner touches on is that as far as Christianity goes, there is no salvation for the Jews outside of Christ, and that is biblically correct, since all the unfulfilled OT prophecies were to the House of Israel, which were the 10 tribes that became dispersed among the Gentiles, and weren't intended to apply to the Jews.
Yawn more Judaic Garbage from Kappner. the reason why the Jews are hated is because they cause trouble wherever they go not because Jewsus put a curse on them
The four curses OF judaism:
1.Christianity
2. Islam
3. Capitalism
4. Communism
Nick, I can count on you to scrutinize my comments, to the best of your ability.
I think the passage you raise is one of the most significant passages that one could raise in contradiction to the point I was making, and though not in your case, as a defense for Christian dispensationalism.
What I can say is that the Jews are part of the House of Israel, in that they are from the tribe of Judah, but when Israel was divided into two kingdoms, they had separate prophets, and it would stand to my reason, anyway, that the purported prophecies for each respective house were only intended to apply to that house, and therefore I stand by the claim that the prophecies of Isaiah, for example, were intended to apply to the House of Israel, and not Judah.
Hosea, I meant, who was a prophet exclusive to the Northern Kingdom, and promised that Yahweh would marry the House of Israel again in righteousness, which as I understand, is a basis for the long-standing Christian claim of the OT promises referencing Christians and not Jews.
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fauxcapitalist,
Your comments are thought provoking, much appreciated. Even from a cursory reading of the Bible, yes, the House of Israel certainly covers all twelve tribes, not just Judah (i.e the Jewish line).
That passage from Matthew's account of the good News which Nick referenced is a beautiful passage, read in it's entirety. After the Messiah proclaims his mission 'I was sent only to the house of Israel', the Canaanite woman persists that he heal her daughter; filled with compassion for the woman, Jesus looks at his fellow Jews and presents her to them as an example of sincere trusting faithfulness in God. His point being that even his own kinsmen, although boasting to be God's people, didn't possess such humble reliance on God, having turned to their own ways.
Matthew's final account of the Messiah, after his resurrection, is that of his 'great commission'. To his followers he is quoted as saying: 'Therefore, go and make people from all nations into my disciples, immersing them into the reality of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to grasp everything that I have taught you. And remember that I will be with you always, yes, even until the end of the age" (Matthew 28:19-20).
Talmudic Judaism may have burdened the world with many curses -- I'd say more than just four -- but God, through his Messiah, has given us at least four blessings:
1. Forgiveness of sin through the atoning act of Christ
2. Reconciliation between God and man
3. Reconciliation among all men, be they Jew or gentile
4. Eternal life
If Paul's letter to the Romans (chapters 9, 10 and 11) are to be trusted, then this current 'wall of hostility' between Jew and Gentile -- afforded by the former's collective rejection of the Messiah and their perverted Talmudic allegiance -- will one day be dismantled. The 'riches' that the Gentile nations have in Christ will be further multiplied in that coming day when 'all Israel' -- including the tribe of Judah -- 'will be delivered' (Romans 11: 26).
As the Old Testament prophecy of Zechariah puts it: “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son". (Zech 12:10)
Brother Nathanael is but one Jew who now honours the Messiah, and mercifully increasing numbers of his tribe are following suit.
Well said, TPD. Thanks.
Nice read. Now the tal-mud must be exposed, anti Jesus Christ, anti Christian, non jews.
The sad part of the tal-mud is that jews believe that Jesus Christ the Son of God is in hell boiling in a caldron of boiling human fecal matter and all Christians will meet the same fate. This compilation of the books of the tal-mud and the alliance between the jews and the muslims resulted in well over 100 million victims. They helped the muslims to invade murder rape enslave People from Ireland to Asia!
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