Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Truth Hertz with Charles Giuliani 2012.08.21

Debate with Zionist Jan Mueller.


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46 comments:

Ryan said...

Ahh at least he said sorry. You Guys are doing a great job by the way. Much love.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, that apology was spot on.This ''Jan Mueller'' isn't a German but an Israeli jew imo.You can hear it obviously in his accent and on top of that he's using lawyer tactics, which also says a lot to me.
Thanks for posting.
Pas.

caltrop said...

Nice one charles, I was having my doubts about you after yesterdays lunar 'debate' but you have redeemed yourself.

Way to go, canadian monkey!

Anonymous said...

Lindsey had a point, what do you guys think about his comments?

zapoper said...

It's a good thing that Lindsey called in to point out the Israeli accent. I was so busy listening to that guy dancing around the subject without really addressing it that I didn't even notice the accent.

Lindsey may be right about him. He may very well be Hasbara.

The Giuliani apology just shows that he's a decent guy.

John Friend said...

I hope our buddy Jan checks out those books I cited about the Holohoax, and actually does so honestly. He'll be on our side in no time! :)

Thanks for posting all the interviews and radio shows, good stuff. I've been meaning to let you know that.

Anonymous said...

Lindsey was spot on on the accent!(didn't hear the call when I commented) but he did get a bit over emotional in expressing his views.John Friend's call was brilliant.Calm and composed bringing solid info.When ''Jan" asked for scientific proof I directly thought of the Fred Leuchter Report.
Pas.

Anonymous said...

Hey, this is Jan.
First, thank you for listening and calling.
I could not understand the accusation against me for being a "Hasbara troll" or something like that - I think that I was pretty sincere about my background and my affiliation. I am the son of a Jewish, Israeli father and a German mother. I spent a few years in Israel when both of my parents worked there and attended a Hebrew school. I then moved with my mother to Germany where I live since. I do not posses an Israeli Citizenship (however I am entitled to it if I want to), and I am not Jewish according to the Jewish law (since my mother is not Jewish, but it doesn't mean anything to me since I'm secular).
If anyone had or has any question about my background I would have and am able to answer, but the attack against me was quite ridiculous. I am attached to Israel, I would definitely consider myself a Zionist (someone who supports the national rights of the Jewish people for sovereignty in their homeland), and I would probably agree with a lot of things claimed by official Israeli Hasbara. Not only that I didn't conceal all that on air - that was the reason why I was invited to speak on the show!

Lindsey, thank you for the sources you suggested. The books on the holocaust "hoax" are not available in Germany and I have no way to obtain them (unless I order from Amazon UK but then it's quite expensive..).
Pas - I read a bit about the Leuchter Report, and from what I understand it was scientifically flawed. If I may, a scientific study/proof is not a work that is conducted by a scientist, but a work that adheres to acceptable scientific empirical rules and methods of research. So far, there has been a lot of scientific work on the Jewish holocaust (and other tragedies during WW2), but none of them concluded that the Holocaust is a "hoax".
It is also important to mention about the holocaust, that it is the name we give today to all the negative events, rules, practices and persecutions against the Jewish people by Nazi Germany and allies during WW2. It is not a single event or a single law, it's a period in Jewish history. I write this since in case one testimony or one event is controversial and there's a debate about, that doesn't mean that the holocaust is a "hoax" or that there was no persecution against European Jews by the Nazis.

John Friend said...

Hey Jan, my instinct tells me you are an honest guy, I don't think you are a hasbara troll or anything like that. Of course people are going to say that, but don't let it bother you. People on the internet make all sorts of accusations, most of them without any merit. Don't sweat it man, it comes with the territory.

Linsdey was the caller after me, I was the one who suggested those books about the Holohoax to you. You can find more info about them here:

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=3342

http://www.revisionists.com/revisionists/butz.html

Either of those books will set you straight on what actually happened and what didn't happen during WWII concerning the Jews in Europe. I'll tell you right now: 6 million Jews were not murdered at the hands of the "Nazis". The "Nazis" wanted the Jews out of Germany (for good reason!) and made moves to accomplish this goal, which included arresting, relocating, and even facilitating the emigration of Jews to places other than Germany. The "death camps" were nothing more than industrial centers where Jews (and others) were forced to work. Now, please keep in mind that the international Jews declared war on Germany way back in 1933 shortly after Hitler came to power. Not only that, but the Jews had already completely subverted the German government, media, educational system, judicial system, etc. (just like America!). So clearly, the Jews were a threat to Germany, for obvious reasons. Also consider that Jews like Theodore Kaufman were openly calling for the complete destruction of the German nation. Take a look at this man:

http://www.ihr.org/books/kaufman/perish.html

WWII explained in a nutshell: the Jewish international banking criminal network that controlled the Allies - US, UK, USSR namely - ganged up on Adolf Hitler's Germany because he represented the greatest threat that has ever manifested itself in the past 200 years (at least) against the International Jewish Money Power. The Jews had to defeat Hitler, because he would have changed the world in a most profound way - in a genuinely good way.

But that's another subject, feel free to email me if you want to talk about this. Click my name here and you can find my email. Or email Charlie and he will give you my email.

I also suggested you seriously investigate 9/11, because there is overwhelming evidence suggesting Israel and a criminal network of Zionist Jews did 9/11 and blamed it on Muslims as a means to initiate the fraudulent "Global War on Terror". I have written about this on my blog extensively.

http://johnfriendsblog.blogspot.com/

Scroll down and look on the left hand side and you'll see a column titled "Israel did 9/11!" Check out those links man, it's obvious who did 9/11. That will lead you to explore other aspects of this crime gang. And yes, it is a Jewish crime gang, sorry to tell you bro. Judaism is a supremacist religion that is based on the Talmud, which not only sanctions but openly encourages the defrauding, lying to, cheating, and even killing non-Jews. I know you're not like that, but that is what Judaism is man, and if you're against that, you probably want to declare that publicly. And renounce the despicable Talmud.

Anonymous said...

Butz's book is quite old by subject standards and has received some criticism from different quarters.

Various language versions of materials on this subject here:
http://www.aaargh.codoh.info/

Anonymous said...

Hey John, sorry about confusing your name :)
Thanks for the links, I'll try to take a look soon.

I find the explanations you brought to the Jewish experience in WW2 quite bizarre.
First, the number 6 million - perhaps it's not accurate, but it's roughly so. There where around 7.5 million Jews in Europe on the evening of WW2, and around less than 1.5 million when Hitler was defeated. Assuming a max 200 thousands natural deaths that would take place anyway, where did all these Jews gone?
Second, claiming that the Nazis' goal was only to get rid of German Jews (a despicable goal in my opinion by itself) could not be true, since they have achieved this goal before the war - most German Jews left a bit before and a bit after the Nazis took power. There were hardly German Jewish victims in the holocaust, they all left before everything started. The Jewish victims of the Nazis were Jews living in other European countries, mostly eastern Europe.

Calling Ghettos and concentration camps "industrial centers" should be as calling slaughterhouse amusement parks. Forced labor, slavery of millions of people (not only Jews) in horrible conditions resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths. From 1942 on the final solution resulted in the conversion of the labor camps to death camps. This does not rely on testimonies of victims but on thousands of German Nazi testimonies, documents, pictures and films and data. One can always argue, however, that all the evidence is fake.

About " the international Jews declared war on Germany" - are you talking about the American Jews' led boycott against Germany? This was the reaction of Jewish communities to the horrible anti-Jewish rhetoric and practices of the Nazis, and a very justified reaction. Too bad the Jews hadn't make more noise to force Western government to do more to save European Jews.
There is no single documented Jewish attack against a single German person before WW2 started.

About 9/11 - I still need to read the accusations to know the issue better, but the story of the "five Israelis dancing" is quite ridiculous as a proof of Israel's responsibility (it's amazing that no one blames the thousands of Palestinians who danced in the streets of Gaza at that day...). The Islamic Jihad organizations took responsibility and a lot of pride for the attacks. Are they all Israeli agents? Did the Israelis make the Islamic world work for them to attack Americans, and if they have so much power to control them, can't they make the Islamic world stop attacking Israelis??? And if the goal of Israel was to get Americans to fight terrorism that bothers them, wouldn't they prefer sending the Americans to fight Hamas and Hizbollah and Iran instead of terrorists in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq that never got anywhere near an Israeli person?

I resent the way the "truth movement" presents itself as a result of critical thinking in front of conventional thought. As you can see, there's a lot to hit back at the conspiracy theories. In any case, I'll try to learn the discourse better before the next round on Charlie's show :)

Anonymous said...

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/blog/lindquist/holy-hoax-batman-my-government-wouldn-t-lie-me-about-jews-would-they


Despite the provocative title, check out the link and read on:
"The Red Cross had unrestricted access each month to every German concentration camp including Auschwitz. They had inside men who reported to them in detail the activities at the camps.

In a Nov. 22, 1944 letter to U.S. State Department officials, the Red Cross said: ..."

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous,

Regarding the red cross - go to Google Scholar (source for scientific publications) and search for red cross + holocaust, there are a few books and articles written on it, mostly from the late 1980s on. This is quite a studied issue. The Red Cross officials themselves released a few reports on their wrong conducts during WW2.

Can anyone ever give me a link or title of something that is not an anonymous blog report, a youtube video made by "Zionistxxxblabla", and that actually has references to arguments??

That blog article obviously sees that it doesn't have a case against the evidences for the holocaust, so it goes to speak about Israel, Iran, all kinds of manipulations that enables the writer to say "look, these people are doing so many bad things, don't believe them". Ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

Google Scholar, in as much as it is inevitably filtered according to subjective criteria, is a false paradigm for objective searches. Please include in your research all potential sources including the many books on the site already quoted (which will take you much time to peruse and read, if you are genuinely interested in surveying the literature):

http://www.aaargh.codoh.info/

from which site I note at random among others:

1) http://www.aaargh.codoh.info/fran/livres3/HoaxV2.pdf
Arthur R. Butz: "The Hoax of the Tentieth Century" (an early book in the field, I think there are as stated one or more books also criticising some aspects of its content in light of later research).

2) http://www.aaargh.codoh.info/fran/livres5/harwoodeng.pdf
Richard E. Harwood (pseud. of BNP member Richard Verrall?): "Did Six Million Really Die?"

-wherefrom:

http://theunjustmedia.com/holocaust/Did%20Six%20Million%20Really%20Die%209%2010%20con.htm
"Did Six Million Really Die?"
Chapters 9,10 & Conclusion


"There is one survey of the Jewish question in Europe during World War Two and the conditions of Germany's concentration camps which is almost unique in its honesty and objectivity, the three-volume Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War (Geneva, 1948).
...
In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatsoever of 'gas chambers'. The original 1946 edition did not even talk of 'extermination' or 'death camps' but after the emotional impact of the Nuremberg trials the Red Cross felt compelled to introduce into the expanded 1948 Report several, very cursory references to 'death camps' (Vol. 1 p. 641) and 'extermination camps' (Vol. I p. 645).

However, no means of 'extermination' is indicated. In all its 1,600 pages the three-volume Report does not even mention such a thing as a 'gas chamber'. It acknowledges that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of 'gassings' is ample refutation of the 'Holocaust' legend."

http://books.google.com/books/about/Report_of_the_International_Committee_of.html?id=1F4JAQAAIAAJ

No full view. No downoad.


http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/57jnwr.htm

"Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its activities during the Second World War", three volumes and an annex, ICRC, Geneva, 1948.

Vol.I, " General activities " , 736 pp.
Vol. II, " The Central Agency for Prisoners of War " , 320 pp.
Vol. III, " Relief activities " , 539 pp.
Annexes, 69 pp.

http://www.worldcat.org/title/report-of-the-international-committee-of-the-red-cross-on-its-activities-during-the-second-world-war-september-1-1939-june-301947/oclc/1654802

Not found for purchase on http://www.bookfinder.com

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Report-International-Committee-Activities-During/dp/B0018XY4PK

"Currently unavailable.
We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock."



The ICRC also published its: "Work of the International Committee of the Red Cross for Civilian Detainees in German Concentration Camps"

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TNrrkft9134C&pg=PA480&lpg=PA480&dq=%22work+of+the+international+committee+of+the+red+cross+for+civilian+detainees+in+german+concentration+camps%22&source=bl&ots=7ekAcZTsEP&sig=O4Ve2QcANADajtqmj67kiC-hJbE&hl=en

Mysteriously, also not found for purchase on http://www.bookfinder.com

...cont'd...

Anonymous said...

...continuing and concluding...


John Sack in his 1995 book "An Eye for an Eye: The Story of Jews Who Sought Revenge For the Holocaust"

http://home.us.archive.org/details/AnEyeForAnEye

quotes the ICRC's "Work of the International Committee of the Red Cross for Civilian Detainees in German Concentration Camps" and implies the ICRC did not have access to Auschwitz (printed page 111; see also bottom of printed page 212). That does not seem to be borne out by the narrated content of the 3-vol. ICRC Report. (Incidentally, see also printed page 214 of Sack about post-WW2 German deaths in Polish camps and prisons). However from a quick search I find no mention by him of the authoritative 3-volume ICR Report. Why?

The starting point for an informed discussion should surely include at least the 3-volume ICRC Report yet it seems to be nearly unobtainable, at least online and/or in hard copy for personal purchase.

That is all from me. Not my subject.

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous,

Thanks particularly for the "The Hoax of the Tentieth Century" pdf, I couldn't get the book in Germany and didn't know it's available online. I'll take a look, since as I understood it gives the revisionist story to a maximum extent.

Regarding the Red Cross report - it should be clear, logically, that whatever was known 2-3 years after WW2 about the holocaust is not (in quantity nor quality) what is known to researchers today. It took time to get the German archive documents (most of them were available only in the 1970s) and to establish a credible research on the events of the holocaust.

The Red Cross has admitted in the 1990s that it has been concealing information on the Holocaust (http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/19/us/red-cross-admits-knowing-of-the-holocaust-during-the-war.html), and that it had a "moral failure" on that matter (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1914&dat=19971008&id=wt4gAAAAIBAJ&sjid=JmsFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1062,1339920)

The nature of research on war crimes and genocide is that it takes time to reveal the truth. The perpetrators hide information, testimonies are conflicting, and most people involved (both perpetrators and victims!) don't want to talk about it. We still don't know all there is to know about the holocaust, and there are many documents and testimonies that have not been examined properly.

Even if the Red Cross wanted to find out about the gas chambers in 1946, it is indeed possible that it could not find out about them. At that time, research was just in its beginning, and even access to Auschwitz was not easy to obtain.

I also read an accusation about Mauthausen, that in the beginning someone said that 2 million people died there. Now we know more and the estimates speak about around 100 thousands, with a minority of Jewish victims. This is acknowledged by holocaust conventional scholars, so I find it a bit strange that the initial mistake serves as a proof that the holocaust is a "hoax" - the estimated numbers of Jewish victims do not include 2 million victims in Mauthausen, but around 20 thousands.

Now we know more. The Red Cross today acknowledges the extermination of European Jews and others by the Nazis.
The Germans acknowledge the extermination.
The vast majority of scholars, most of whom are not Jewish, continue to reveal more information about the holocaust.

Anonymous said...

Hello Jan Mueller,

You have a link to this online, no?

"Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War (Geneva, 1948)."

http://www.LindseyNarrates.wordpress.com said...

You people may be getting fooled by this Hasbara Troll, but I will not accept his sweet-words with poisonous intent. If you can not see that his intention is to play the "good cop" role and make it seem like he actually is "open" to learning the truths as they are, then you people who are falling for this are just throwing-out all that you have learned about the tricks and the traps of these "people" that we have seen played upon the human-race over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Fuck that.

I stand ABSOLUTELY by what I believe is happening with this "Jan" and if you can not see it, it is because you are just being snookered by his approach. Regardless of the approach, know that this Hasbarat has an agenda, and it is obviously working.

DESPICABLE.

Lindsey

Anonymous said...

Lindsey,

You should really relax a bit.. Even if I am a Hasbara Troll, I have so far reacted to your arguments with counter arguments. I'm here to have a dialogue, and that does not include only hearing what you have to say but also making you hear what I have to say. And I do have something to say on your perspective of the world, which is very different from mine.

It's not a "good cop" strategy, there is no strategy. I do not agree with the vast majority of people with my perspective of Israel and the Jewish people, who are not interesting in having any dialogue with those who demonize and delegitimize them, those who spread lies on them and those who wish to destroy them. I am affiliated with those people and I understand them, but I disagree with their "look away" method of dealing with it.
I want to learn your theories and your arguments. I am not doing this so that I will become one of you, and do have and will have a lot to say against that.

If you are confident in your beliefs about Zionism and the Jewish people, you should not have any problem with having a real dialogue and discussion with me, and not one in which we call each other in names and titles.

What are you afraid of?

Jan.

Arminius said...

The HoloHoax by David Cole, Jewish Truth Seeker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSKNUEBp7dk&feature=player_embedded

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Holohoax Survivors who Tell the Truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbBMJiBRRKE&feature=player_embedded

Arminius said...

Germany to pay an extra $300 million to holohoax suvivors.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/157704

The holohoax is a big fooking lie, Jan. How dare you call yourself German while your fellow jew rats extort billions from the German taxpayer. You jews suck dirty ass.

Jews Demand A Jewish State Within Germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOP7h7C8j_0

Arminius said...

The following quotes were taken from "Hitler Speaks: A Series of Political Conversations With Adolf Hitler on His Real Aims" By Hermann Rauschning, 1st edition, 1939

"Leave the hair-splitting to others. Whether it's the Old Testament or the New, or simply the sayings of Jesus, it's all the same old Jewish swindle. It will not make us free. A German church, a German Christianity is a distortion. One is either a German or a Christian. You cannot be both."

"Hitler made it clear that he was not interested in an "Aryanized Christianity" or the "Aryan Jesus" myth promoted by Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Von Liebenfels, and certain party members. "You cannot make an Aryan out of Jesus, that's nonsense. What needs to be done you say? I will tell you: we must prevent the churches from doing anything but, what they are doing now, that is, losing ground day by day. But we can hasten matters. The parsons will be made to dig their own graves." he stated."

"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew." - Adolf Hitler

http://spiritualwarfare666.webs.com/Hitler_Quotes_Against_Christianity.htm

Anonymous said...

@Arminius,

I watched parts of that David Cole video a day before the debate on Charles' show. The major flaw in his video is that the case for the gas chambers does not rely on the knowledge of one tour guide at Auschwitz. The answer to every question he raises there exists, all he needed to do is to find them.

That's actually a very common theme in holocaust-revisionist articles: completely ignoring the vast majority of works on the holocaust to raise questions that are seemingly new or unanswered in a manipulative manner. For example, I read about the issue that in the beginning they said that 3 millions died in Auschwitz, and later the number has changed to 1.3 millions, so it "proves" that they lied.
But the initial number 3 million was based on the testimony of the Nazi commander of Auschwitz! The Nazis claimed that they exterminated 3 million people in Auschwitz, not the holocaust scholars! Later on, with the advance of studies and testimonies, a more accurate picture was obtained.

Anonymous said...

About "Germany to pay an extra $300 million to holohoax suvivors":

Sounds to me like good news, that Germany compensates its victims. That's what a responsible government should be doing.

About "Jews Demand A Jewish State Within Germany" -
Hate makes people look for excuses to justify their hate. The "Weimar Jewish State" campaign is an art project of Israeli and German art students. It's not a real political movement... read about it here: (in German, use google translate or something..)
http://www.dradio.de/dkultur/sendungen/ausderjuedischenwelt/1679985/

Arminius said...

I'm going to recommend that Charlie not give you another second on air to promote your big jew lie. You jews are all the same, you're not interested in truth. Israel is not a piece of land, Israel is a name that jew god gave to Jacob in the jew book aka the buybull.

Read Eli the jew Ravage if you have any decency which you don't, you're a jew between the ears.

You have not begun to appreciate the real depth of our guilt. We are intruders. We are disturbers. We are subverters. We have taken your natural world, your ideals, your destiny, and played havoc with them. We have been at the bottom not merely of the latest great war but of nearly all your wars, not only of the Russian but of every other major revolution in your history. We have brought discord and confusion and frustration into your personal and public life. We are still doing it. No one can tell how long we shall go on doing it.

http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=25835

Anonymous said...

@Arminius,

I am very sorry that you're attempting to silence me. I am very interested in continuing talking with Charlie and all of you.

You're calling me a liar. Can you give one example of a lie I have written or told?

I find your argument that "Israel is not a land because it's a name given to a person" quite bizarre. Should we also say that America is not a land because it's a name given to a person (heard of Amerigo Vespucci?)
Common, stick to some reasoned arguments.

And I'm very happy that you brought a quote from Eli Ravage's 1928 article. Too bad you failed to understand it - the author makes fun of Jew-haters. It's a satire, and he's showing how ridiculous and paradoxical arguments against Jews are. The author fought against anti-Semitism most of his life.
I recommend reading the entire article, it's a very good one!

Arminius said...

your only defense is to call me a jew-hater.

Like I said, you jews are all the same, you have no decency in you and all you do is lie.

Arminius said...

The Aryan super genius Nikolai Tesla said it all in one tiny quote.

Nikolai Tesla to his secretary: "Miss! Never trust a jew!"

Anonymous said...

@Arminius,

I think that anyone reading this thread can see that I was the one the one bringing rational arguments and all you did was to make false accusations, to insult me and to call me a liar without providing a single evidence.

I'm not going to insult you back, I'm not here for that.

Best,
Jan

Arminius said...

LOl, you truth-hater!

Arminius said...

The Origins of Holocaustianity started by Jewish extremists

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V3PdeNPT3U&bpctr=1345901144

Anonymous said...

Arminius,

you're not so good in dialogue or a civilized discussion, I'm afraid.

Can I ask you something (that is, expect an answer that isn't just one big insult to me personally..) - what should be done with the Jews?

Lindsey said...

Arminius, DO NOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE ALL THAT HE IS TRYING TO DO IS BAIT YOU.

Do not feed the trolls. How difficult is it to see what is happening here? This guy does this on YouTube/ADL, he did it on Charles' show when he didn't answer the questions and then jumped to another issue/topic, and he will do it whenever and wherever else a serious discussion is taking-place where facts are facts and common-sense and HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, can be ignored because that is what these "people" do best.

Guys, I recommend taking this discussion to http://www.theinfounderground.com/forum and discussing it there because this is really not the place for what I see happening.

"Jan" I would not have a problem with you if you did not basically say that nothing will change your mind, if you did not say that it is OK for Germany to keep giving more and more and more and more money and resources over events that have been categorically shown to be anything but what happened, and if you were HONEST about what your people are doing to Palestinians, and BY EXTENSION, THE REST OF THE HUMAN-RACE BECAUSE ALL OF US KNOW THAT THE INTENT IS TO CREATE A jewish-UTOPIA WHERE MOST OF THE HUMAN-RACE IS GONE AND THE SURVIVORS ARE SLAVES WHERE THE "chosen" ARE GODS-WALKING-ON-EARTH. Brother, NONE OF US are going to ever lie to ourselves that this is not the intention at the very end of all that is happening to our planet, and if you think that you are going to be able to smooth-talk your way into convincing those of us who have seen the evidence of what is intended, then you truly are delusional.

I'll tell you what...read this essay and then TRY to refute it, and then we will have something to discuss when you are on Charles' show. I am not an asshole and I AM willing to have a conversation with those who are willing to have a conversation and are not trying to obfuscate or have any other malevolent agenda.

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=16662&p=67453&sid=707e6e7bf2ab12948020df21fbf5f04b#p67453

Read it, critique it, and if you are not convinced of the reality that we are all facing--those of us who are goyim, I should say--then there really is nothing that will convince you.

Lindsey

Lindsey said...

I forgot to add that the essay is the ZionCrimeFactory master-piece, "The jew World Order Unmasked" also known as "The jew World Order Is Upon Us, BEWARE!"

I decided to permanently archive it at TIU, which is something that I should have immediately done many months ago, because it is seemingly not available anywhere but his website, which, AGAIN, is down thanks to the demons walking-on-two-legs at the ADL/jDL/jIDF, etc., etc.

Lindsey

Anonymous said...

Lindsey,

I accept your challenge - I will read your article and write some comments (though it's quite long so I am not sure I'll manage to get through everything by Tuesday).
I will post my comments and send you, and I expect us to debate in a civilized and rational manner in Tuesday, without you calling me names or insulting me as you have done obsessively so far.

I see that you took quite hard my saying that my opinion will not be changed. Maybe it was a bit extreme to say it, since I have changed my opinion about many things in the past. The issue is, that your case against the Jews (As a general case by which "Jews are evil and responsible for everything that is bad in the world", and as general cases in particular issues) is EXTREMELY WEAK.

Frankly, I am very disappointing by what I find out so far. I assumed that if so many books and articles were written on, for example, the "holocaust hoax", there are at least some rational arguments that should be considered there. I'm very disappointing to see that there is probably no case against the holocaust at all. This is my impression so far, and I think that my comments on this thread to the sources I was given serve as a good example for that. Everything you argue is built on unrepresentative quotes taken out of context (or fake, or misunderstood), that even if they were true and representative they don't prove anything to any argument that is presented here against the Jews. So I'm disappointed...

Lindsey said...

Jan, this is NOT my "theory" about what is happening to our planet; this comes directly from the jews themselves.

I know that you would not be able to read this in its entirety because of its length, but this is from where I got the term, "jewish-Utopia." This book was written by someone basically bragging about what is intended for the planet, and after I read this I finally understood that the human-race is truly under-attack.

Look, this is not the place for this; if a discussion is to take place of any kind, it needs to go to http://www.theinfounderground.com/forum because this is simply not a good venue.

Lindsey

NB: Jan, you can easily read "The jew World Order Unmasked" in a couple of hours, and if you want, you can translate it to German or Hebrew, whichever you choose.

Lindsey said...

http://iamthewitness.com/books/The-Ultimate-World-Order-as-Pictured-in-The-Jewish-Utopia-1957.pdf



"THE JEWISH UTOPIA", discovered by the author in
an unlisted Jewish collection in the library of the University of
Texas, is the authentic and complete plan of the Zionists for
world domination. It pictures the ultimate "new social order"
which the Zionists hope to establish after they have used Communism,
democracy and a third world war to gain their ends.
THE ULTIMATE WORLD ORDER is an analysis of "The
Jewish Utopia", with photographs and excerpts from the original
text.
The Ultimate World Order
— as Pictured in "The Jewish Utopia"
The Communist plan for rubbing out all national, religious, cultural
and racial lines and submerging the world in formless, characterless chaos
for easy domination is grandiose enough. To say that there is still another,
If Communism is only temporary, what is to be the ultimate novus
ordo seclorum, the new order, of society if the successors to the Jewish revolutionaries,
Marx and Heine, accomplish their aim? Who are to be the
masters of the new order and what do they want to do with our children
and grandchildren?
It goes without saying that no man can escape concern about such a
scheme if it has powerful backing.
For years I have felt that somewhere there must be a master plan
showing what Heine and his fellow planners had in mind for us, after the
fires of Communism burn away the heritages of the various races and cultures,
religions and nations; after Communist monsters have killed out
I have never seen anything comparable; for this small book sketches the general outlines of the ultimate goal hundreds of years ahead, toward which all the various activities of the Zionists and their "liberal" dupes are,
wittingly or unwittingly, contributing. ZIONISM FROM TALMUD AND TORAH.

Yet, the book was not marked secret; it was in plain English and in the Library of the University of Texas. (And a friend has found a copy in the Library of Congress, Washington, D.C., supposedly a copy which was filed with application for copyright in 1932.)
If the book is not marked secret, if it is in plain English, it is nevertheless
almost safe, for it is largely couched in the esoteric language which all Jewish revolutionaries have used throughout known history, language found even in their Torah, (the Books of Moses) and which Jewish writers imparted to Communist literature. Their use of words which you and I take
to mean one thing but which their followers understand as meaning something else, a system which our people little suspect, almost guarantees the security of the document.
Here at last is the complete plan of the Zionists, in their own words, for world domination.

The author speaks of "the righteous" and "the just". He says they shall inherit the earth. He quotes the Prophets, the Books of Moses, etc. Who would suspect that he had political revolution and total conquest in mind?"

Jan, you really need to face-the-reality of what IS happening to our planet, what HAS happened in the past, and what WILL inevitably happen if these psychopaths and demons walking-on-two-legs get all that they want; Jan, this will be a LITERAL Hell-on-Earth, and that is the painful and ugly truth that the brain-washing has kept from the majority of the human-race.

Lindsey

Anonymous said...

Lindsey,

I fail to understand the important discovery or plot in the book "Jewish Utopia". It was written by Michael Higger, a Jewish Talmud-Scholar (studied the Talmud), who was for a period a scholar at Colombia University. The book is not secretive or "unlisted", it's a known publication that analyzes the envisioned individual and social life according to the Jewish philosophical thought. There's a Wiki on the author in Hebrew (http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%9B%D7%90%D7%9C_%D7%94%D7%99%D7%92%D7%A8).

He is not so known and the book is listed in the Israeli national library in Jerusalem. I guess that the number of people in Israel who read this book does not exceed 100...

The accusation that this book is some kind of evil plot for Zionism (the liberation movement of the Jewish people that achieved an independent Jewish state in 1948..) seems like something that is not based on any reason or evidence. It's a philosophic book by a scholar, not a practical guide for anything. Zionism was a secular movement that couldn't care less about the Talmud. The Talmud itself is a complex series of books that Rabbis and Scholars study and investigate for many years, and the notion that someone like me or you can read it and understand what it's about immediately is absurd.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble - there is no "Zionist conspiracy to ruin the world". There's only a Zionist conspiracy to keep the tiny state of Israel alive.

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Arminius said...

For Jan the lying rat faced jew bastard.

The Origins of Holocaustianity started by Jewish extremists

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V3PdeNPT3U&feature=player_embedded


And for Lindsey, stfu you christarded jew worshiping kweer. Don't tell me how to be, who the f do you think you are? If I want to answer his baiting question that's my f'n business.

And what the f is your problem, how come you can't let go of the jew fairy tale? Do you still "believe" in santa and the easter bunny, too?

What do we do with the jews? Hmmm, I'm guessing lindsey thinks the majick invisible jew in the sky is going to punish his naughty chosen in the near future, so, like jewsus says: Resist not the evil one, if the evil one smites your left cheek then turn to him the other so he can smite that one also, then give the evil jew your shirt and coat and, and, and. Give the evil jew everything you own and store up treasures in jew heaven. (rolls eyes)

Okay, an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth. The commie jews are responsible for over 200 million gentile goyim cattle being murdered in the last century alone. How many rat faced kike bastard jews are there in the world today? The rat faced kike bastard jews say there are somewhere around 17 million jew rats in the world today. Even using jew math the answer is clear, 200 million goyim is surely worth 17 million kikes. Sorry jews, facts are facts.

Let's start with Jan the lying little jew rat bastard, in the oven jew, schnell, schnell juden ratte. Lol, just kidding.

Arminius said...

Chew on this one jewboy.

Filthy jew rabbi to face criminal charges for botched circucision in Germany.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=S3AOTYfqsSI

Arminius said...

Abortion: the kosher slaughter

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkyon5_abortion-the-kosher-slaughter-2-3-graphic-material_news

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The Nazi Connection

GLORIA STEINEM

Cofounder and editor of Ms. Magazine, Gloria Steinem’s views on “The Nazi Connection” are based on her research on international feminism done at the Woodrow Wilson Center of the Smithsonian Institution.

(snip) Hitler himself, and the Nazi doctrine he created, were unequivocally opposed to any individual right to abortion.

In 1933, feminists were removed from teaching and other public posts by the same law that removed "non-Aryans" from such jobs. All women were banned from the Reichstag, from judgeships, and from other decision-making posts.

Under Hitler, choosing abortion became sabotage; a crime punishable by hard labor for the woman and a possible death penalty for the abortionist.

http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/speakout/steinem.html

Goyanim said...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1819950.html

Yoram Haimi, Israeli Archaeologist, Digs Into Nazi's Sobibor Death Camp
"I feel like I am an investigator in a criminal forensic laboratory," Haimi, 51, said near his home in southern Israel this week, a day before departing for another dig in Poland. "After all, it is a murder scene."
Over five years of excavations, Haimi has been able to remap the camp and has unearthed thousands of items. He hasn't found anything about his family, but amid the teeth, bone shards and ashes through which he has sifted, he has recovered jewelry, keys and coins that have helped identify some of Sobibor's formerly nameless victims.
The heavy concentration of ashes led him to estimate that far more than 250,000 Jews were actually killed at Sobibor.

Exterminationists like to say that revisionists ignore facts and evidence, that if time travel was invented and used to indisputably prove a German extermination program to kill Jews, revisionists would still ignore it. This sets up revisionists to be crackpot deniers who deny everything in light of the evidence which is not true.

What evidence?

Here we have another 'archeologist' digging at 'Sobibor' wildly claiming to have found a heavy concentration of ashes without any evidence to back up his claim. They've been digging here for over a decade and Andrzej Kola made this claim several years ago and failed to publish the evidence claiming the Polish government hadn't paid him.
Haimi's claims are outrageous: http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7518/img0170kj3.jpg

The above photo is alleged to show the area of 5 of the alleged 7 "huge mass graves" found by Kola. They are now trying to say that the round monument also covers two "unseen" mass graves.

As to the alleged huge mass graves "visible" in the photo, here is what Yoram has to say:
"Concerning the 'huge white mound' in the photo - this is a polished monument which partially covers the remains of ash and human bone fragments (the mass grave). In the photo you should be able to make out three green concentrations of ash and human bone fragments located beyond the monument."
And later says:
"because this is a memorial monument on the area of the 5 mass grave."

http://forum.codoh.info/viewtopic.php?t=5106

There is more email exchanges with Haimi in the above link where he admits this photo shows all of the mass graves even though there are no mass graves in the photo nor are there green concentrations of of ash and bone.

If they found mass graves of ash and bone, how come no forensic/DNA analysis is being performed? How do they know they are Jewish? The orthodox exterminationist narrative claims that it was 'mostly Jews' who were exterminated at Sobibor. Mostly Jews does not mean all Jews. Haimi's comment that "far more than 250,000 Jews were actually killed at Sobibor" is quite an outrageous claim indeed because the orthodox narrative claims 200k-250k total people were killed. Mostly Jews but NOT all Jews.

For something they make out to be so historically important, these investigations are shoddy. This is also a biased (and brainwashed) researcher because he is an Israeli. You can tell by that 'far more than 250,000' remark which ignorantly ignores the orthodox narrative's goyim. And speaking of goyim, how come when they investigate these things the evidence is ignored but when an Israeli investigates it and makes bold claims without providing evidence they accept it as fact?

Arminius said...

That's the jew way, Goyanim.

Look above as Jan the jew tries to explain away David Cole's (a jew himself) incriminating evidence.

Not a single jew was gassed by the Nazis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsrPt-enplw

Anonymous said...

Goyanim,

Here's the scientific article Yoram was writing at the time you (or something else) bothered him with questions:
http://presentpasts.info/index.php/pp/article/view/pp.12/2

Please send this link to whoever is interested in knowing about Sobibor death camp.

Thank you for your interest in the Jewish people's history.

Best,
Jan

Arminius said...

Final Solution To The German Question Published More Than 2 Years BEFORE Alleged "Holocaust"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj-WX3_vRE8&feature=autoplay&list=UUNW73xJXdTzC_toDrVuUvjA&playnext=3