Friday, January 18, 2013

Spingola Speaks 2013.01.18

Guest: Michael Walsh talks about gun control in Germany 1928-1945; Gun Control in Australia; Wounded Knee; Death Stats; State by State Gun Legislation; Murder Statistics for the World

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19 comments:

george said...

Was looking forward to this

the converstaion was good but

i have some suggestions/criticisms

"jews could own guns in the reich" ok

please post a link to the full law (translated\0 which substantiates this

Gary North wrote on Lew Rockwell that the law prohibitied jews from owning guns (informed folk will know that he is jewish)

but which is it could they or couldnt they

Michael walsh refereed to "shareholders" of various arms companies but didnt provide evidenc e like actual names and whether they were jews

essentially my comment to all hosts in this movement

if you or you guest state something

please back it up with links/references

Dio said...

Jews could not own guns or even ammo after Crystal Night in 1938. It's just like Sandy Hook!

You can get the full text of the gun laws online.

george said...

no link? sorry to be curt but i explained we need links to support what people say

Nik said...

http://rense.com/general70/nazi.htm

Heinz Weichardt's father was Editor of the Berliner Morgenpost and his mother was a Jewess. "Since my early teens I had been an avid gun lover... My guns were registered in the name of my (Jewish) mother, who had contributed the money for their original purchase, because I was only fifteen years old and could not own firearms until I reached maturity (21 years)... After Hitler came to power, nothing was changed in the existing gun regulations"

Some mixed Jews were allowed to own guns until the war, but not full Jews. The NS system was pretty much very loose and some laws were not enforced because that depended much on the regional Leaders (Gauleiters) to enforce them. Only in security matters did the Gestapo get involved. For more info you gotta read on how the NS system worked. That's all I can say now.

Anonymous said...

@Nik

Weichardt, who was actually a gun-collector is just one example of a pro-Hitler half-Jew (Weichardt's mother was Jewish, so you are considered a Jew by Talmudic law if your mother's Jewish), who through his own recollection has written that he never got hassled much at all even when the Gestapo paid him a visit for attempting to buy a large number of Parabellums for a cheap bulk price. The Gestapo just knocked on his door and did a very polite and routine check while leaving all his many loaded guns on the table. No SWAT teams or any of the crap that goes on today.

Under Two Flags

by Heinz Weichhardt - can be read here:

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/under_two_flags.htm


Actually, Hitler was even more pro-gun than that

Jews could be full Jews and still own personal firearms even after the 1938 law, they just couldn't sell guns or be in the firearms business:

"Jews, it should be noted, were not Germans, even if they had been born in Germany. The National Socialists defined citizenship in ethnic terms, and under Hitler Jews were not accorded full rights of citizenship. National Socialist legislation progressively excluded Jews from key professions: teaching, the media, the practice of law, etc. The aim was not only to free German life from an oppressive and degenerative Jewish influence, but to persuade Jews to emigrate. The German Weapons Law of March 18, 1938, specifically excluded Jews from manufacturing or dealing in firearms or munitions, but it did not exclude them from owning or bearing personal firearms. The exclusion of Jews from the firearms business rankled them as much as any other exclusion, and in their typically ethnocentric fashion they have misrepresented the law involved as an anti-gun law in an effort to cast their enemies in a bad light."

quoted from

Gun Control in Germany, 1928-1945

by William L. Pierce

http://archive.org/details/GunControlInGermany1928-1945

If you can dig up the actual 1938 law, you can check it yourself but Pierce's scholarship was usually quite accurate and reliable.

Anonymous said...

What the hell is Pierce talking about ?

Here's the actual law:


Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons

11 November 1938


With a basis in § 31 of the Weapons Law of 18 March 1928 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 265), Article III of the Law on the Reunification of Austria with Germany of 13 March 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 237), and § 9 of the Fuhrer and Chancellor's decree on the administration of the Sudeten-German districts of 1 October 1928 (Reichsgesetzblatt 1, p. 1331 ) are the following ordered:

§ 1

Jews (§ 5 of the First Regulations of the German Citizenship Law of 14 November 1935, Reichsgesetzblatt 1, p. 1332) are prohibited from acquiring, possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons. Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority.

§ 2

Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew's possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation.



§ 3

The Minister of the Interior may make exceptions to the Prohibition in § 1 for Jews who are foreign nationals. He can entrust other authorities with this power.

§ 4

Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions of § 1 will be punished with imprisonment and a fine. In especially severe cases of deliberate violations, the punishment is imprisonment in a penitentiary for up to five years.

§ 5

For the implementation if this regulation, the Minister of the Interior waives the necessary legal and administrative provisions.

§ 6

This regulation is valid in the state of Austria and in the Sudeten-German districts.

Berlin, 11 November 1938

Minister of the Interior

Frick

and here's a copy of the original German

http://jpfo.org/images02/NaziWeaponLaw1800x2667.gif

I don't see anything there that says Jews could keep their personal firearms. So unless the original German text is a forgery, Pierce is wrong.

Pierce must have pulled that part of his research out of his ass. Last time I'm trusting Pierce's research without verifying it.

Anonymous said...

"This regulation is valid in the state of Austria and in the Sudeten-German districts.

Berlin, 11 November 1938

Minister of the Interior

Frick"

This does not mean inside Germany itself, this is the law for Austria & the Sudetan-German districts of the Reich.

So Pierce might still be right about Germany itself

Where is the German law for Germany itself ? Why is it so hard to find ?

Deanna said...

One will not easily find the text of this law on the Jew-controlled Internet, if at all. I post links on my schedule page, at www.spingola.com each day that are relevant to the guest for that particular guest. One may find the text of the Firearms Act, March 18, 1938, both in the English and German text in the book, Gun Control in Germany 1828-1945 by William L. Pierce, National Vanguard Books, Hillsboro, West Virginia, 1994, pp. 33-39. http://natvanbooks.com/ Available at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Control-Germany-1928-1945-William-Pierce/dp/0937944076

Deanna said...

Numerous people, in and out of the so-called truth movement, have recently compared Obama to Hitler. On January 30, 1933, immediately after President Hindenburg appointed Adolf Hitler as Chancellor, Hitler effectively addressed the horrible economic issues in Germany, the joblessness, homelessness and other issues that affected every single citizen. Gun legislation was the last thing on his mind; he waited for five years, after the economy was back on track and people were working and able to take care of their families. Obama, immediately after his imminent inauguration, will, according to the media, and according to his own words, will focus his efforts and attention on imposing tyrannical gun legislation. So, how can anyone compare Hitler to Obama?

Anonymous said...

THANK you Deanna and Michael! Btw, dven yesterday, Sheriff Mack, who is organizing county sheriffs to resist federal law enforcers taking our guns, stated that Adolf Hitler upon taking office immediately ordered that all guns needed to be registered. He was being interviewed by an Infowars reporter, who I think has been announced as Jewish.

george said...

there is some comfusion here

there is mention (thanks Deanna) of the German gun law of March 18, 1938

the law taking weapons from jews was pased in november - right after kritall nacht

i still havent found the march law online

Deanna said...

Kristallnacht occurred on November 9-10, 1938. The only change that officials made in the Gun Law of March 18, 1938 was the Ordinance for the Enforcement of the Firearms Act, dated March 19, 1938. The worldwide media exaggerated the events of the night of November 9-10, 1938, when a few NSDAP leaders and storm troopers, purportedly directing mobs of angry Germans, looted Jewish homes and businesses and burned synagogues throughout Germany. Obviously, these activities negatively impacted German-Jewish relations. An editorial in The New York Times, November 9, 1938, stated that one thousand Jews died during Kristallnacht. Actually, fewer than a hundred perished. Security Chief, Reinhard Heydrich told Hermann Göring that the instigators had killed thirty-six. Another account indicated that ninety-one died.

People have readily accepted distortions and fabrications without evaluating the evidence. For decades, some people have maintained that Hitler ordered Dr. Joseph Goebbels, the propaganda chief, to initiate widespread violence against the Jewish population. However, Goebbels lacked the necessary authority to expedite such a program. On the morning of November 10, Goebbels, angry about the violent outbreaks, ordered those involved to immediately stop all aggression against the Jews. Hitler also ordered an immediate cessation of the violence. To set the record straight, German author Ingrid Weckert examined all of the available documents in order to ascertain what actually occurred and who might have instigated it. Weckert submits that Kristallnacht may have been a part of the continuing warfare that influential Jewish organizations in New York, Paris and London declared soon after Hitler came to power in 1933. One must ask – who benefited? It was not Germany and it certainly was not Hitler or the NSDAP.

The only change in the gun law following Kristallnacht was when the Allies seized all privately-owned guns, and as #1 of the Morgenthau Plan: The Allied Forces sought the immediate and complete demilitarization of Germany following surrender. This meant totally disarming the German Army and people, the destruction of all war material, the destruction of the German armament industry, and the removal or destruction of key industries basic to military strength.

george said...

I have found a site which reproduces german laws in facsimile

that measn i cannot post the text here and the text is in german (and in that Gothic script)

this means that unless you read german in gothic scripr - it wont make sense

sorry but thats the best i can do at this time

here is a link to the march gun law

http://alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex?aid=dra&datum=1938&page=443&size=45

and here is a link to the november gun law

http://alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex?aid=dra&datum=1938&page=1751&size=64

so it looks like there was an amendment but that it applied to austria and sudetenland

oh and you can covert text to pdf but its late in the uk and i cant do it at present due to tiredness

george said...

http://alex.onb.ac.at/tab_dra.htm

is the link that gives you access to the reichsgesetzblat

1871-1945

laws passed in germany

Anonymous said...

Yes, thank you for this excellent link

http://alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex?apm=0&aid=dra&datum=1938

Unfortunately I can't read German so I would have to put all that stuff into a translator.

The only PDF available with the original German of the March 18, 1938 reproduced next to an English translation of it is by these 'Jews for the Presevation of Firearm Ownership' guys:

http://www.commonlawgrandjury.com/second-gun-control_v1.1.pdf

Of course, they try to twist it and mislead people about it and frame a bunch of quite liberal gun laws, much more liberal than what we have in the USA today, as 'tyrannical' and the pre-cursor of our so-called oppressive gun laws in the USA today. All this, while NOWHERE in there does it even say, like the Austrian / Sudetanland law says, that Jews can't own personal firearms, only that they cannot run a firearms or munitions business.

So Pierce's scholarship is correct in so far as the German March 1938law which applied in Germany only was the one he was talking about.

Anonymous said...

Actually since now that all-of-a-sudden and completely out-of-the-blue, mainstream sources are admitting that Hitler was not anti-gun, the obvious PSY-OP is to LINK AMERICAN GUN OWNERS to big-bad Hitler and his band of Not-Sees. They are actually trying to say to the average American zombie that TYRANNY COMES FROM GUN OWNERS !! Don't you see what could happen if you let gun-owners take over a country ? Not-See Germany god forbid !! Gun-owners bad, gun-owners = Hitler, etc.

Anonymous said...

Which, by the way, is a ridiculous psy-op which will never work since there are more guns than there are people in the USA. lol Maybe they want a civil war of different factions of gun-owners shooting each other ? The factions that believe the Sandy Hook and 9-11 Psy-Ops and the factions that do not.

Anonymous said...

Deanna Spingola / Veronica Clark - 06 / 21 / 2012

Kristallnacht - the myths, lies and exaggerations vs. the historical reality

http://www.spingola.com/vclark6_2012-06-21_15-59-30.mp3

george said...

unfortunately the pdf files created from that link

http://alex.onb.ac.at/tab_dra.htm

do not allow you to copy text and then put it in a translator

a footnote to this

deanna stated above that the march 1938 gun law was not altered until the german surrender in 1945

however

she did a special with veronica clark on jan 26 and in the first minutes veroica mentioned the law passed after kristallnacht

i have read the novemebr 1938 law so deanna is wrong - clark gave her a chance to correct her previous statement made her but she did not

why?

i like the topics deanna covers i am not a troll but surely she could say - ok i was wrong- jews were disarmed after kristallnacht