Sunday, January 12, 2020

The Raw Deal With Jim Fetzer 2020.01.12



James Henry Fetzer (born December 6, 1940) is a philosopher of science and conspiracy theorist. Since the late 1970s, Fetzer has worked on assessing and clarifying the forms and foundations of scientific explanation, probability in science, philosophy of mind, and philosophy of cognitive science, especially artificial intelligence and computer science.

Today: Guest, Lori Price. (Scorpio, Paul and Chicago Brew) P.S. Bill Aust. The Slow Aussie tried to call in again. He probably wanted to say that not all jews on the planet are evil. LOL

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zapoper said...

This is funny. I once told scorpio that Paul sounded like him. The California accent and speech pattern.

zapoper said...

BTW. Scorpio had the best equipment of them all. "The golden voice award" was taken away momentarily from Paul English to Scorpio in this one. LOL

KnownUnknown said...

I'm going to eat bacon and be reactive because BREW says its bad but really *WE DON'T KNOW*

zapoper said...

"Don't eat pork you guys. It's bad for you" that from the guy who listens to Tore Says.

Are you a Jew Brew? ROFL

zapoper said...

Of course I'm no expert in warfare and missiles but my question is: How does an airplane get hit by a missile and not explode right away in midair?

I saw a phone video taken by what I assume was an Persian Iranian talking Farsi the night of the incident.

I regret not posting it here and/or downloading it from twitter because now I can't find it anymore because of all the bullshit search engines.

The plane looked like a ball of fire but yet it was still flying "after the hit" and able to turn back towards the airport which is what they do in emergency scenarios. After turning around, it just crashed and lit up the sky like a bomb had exploded which makes sense since the wings were filled with kerosene.

In the official video, we don't see the sky light up during the boom sound when it crashed. Just saying.

BREW said...

seriously, zap?

This stuff, like many of the other, is unfolding layer by layer, day to day.

I fully stated that I dont know, yet the bigger point is that neither does the host of this show, as he and his last guest (Bennett) at least, are heavily invested in the surface layer narratives.

To the least, I've been challenging them, to at minimum, not jump to extreme conclusions - as if they are, share more, deeper evidence than can be found at cnn.

This is all bs. Do I think we're being played, again - you bet - its difficult not to see that writing on the blood stained wall.

Currently listening to Robert Reyvoldt. Always a good dissection. Keith Rogers and Elkins @ RBN earlier.

I'm not convinced of anything by anyone, which includes Tore. I don't believe or trust anyone 100% - ever - can't and won't.

Only time will tell.
Meanwhile - seriously, zap!!???!!! FFS!!

BREW said...

btw - Ted Broer @ Health Masters, convinced me to eliminate swine from the menu, which isn't easy, as pork is a byproduct in many items, such as my frozen pepperoni pizzas.

Its approx two years now, that I've been attempting to practice this -

Got an issue with it - take it up with the Broers and other nutritionists.

I also cut out shellfish. Only sea food with dorsal fins, if I bother.

Eating healthy is a challenge for many, yet we have to start somewhere - those were the easiest for me to start, by cutting them out.

Oh - I also stopped using microwaves. Is this too, shameful?

zapoper said...

" Meanwhile - seriously, zap!!???!!! FFS!! " Was that one in response to my joke of you being jewish? It had a big ROFL at the end of it. LOL

Seriously though. Most of the so called "alternative media" is just parroting MSM in some form or another. It's fucking annoying.

We are at the bottom of the pyramid playing a guessing game as to what they are doing at the top. I agreed with what you said on this show minus the pork angle. ROFL.

zapoper said...

Ted Broer must be jewish to cut out shellfish and Pork. The problem is processed crap from pork. Nothing wrong with scampi and lobster tail etc.

KnownUnknown said...

Well BREW you say you're not convinced of anything but actually you are - you're convinced the story at face value is BS.

And there's no way you can get there by "not knowing anything" - bare minimum you know not to trust the mainstream.

If you heard Elkens then i would ask you what you thought of Mers call?

As for the jew gag - Cmon dude we've all been called that lol.

zapoper said...

BTW. The left is helping Trump be reinstalled. Like I've said, the Hollywood Jews and CIA etc should be sued for traumatizing the American people.

Bill Aust said...

Brew, I have one for you. Evidentally this guy was sick, because he looks OK and his wife and him both said he is much better now. He gave me one job over the phone and told me, I said you might get scurvey. He said he's been doing it for years now, and knows people who have done it for twenty years. They only eat meat.

Bill Aust said...

forgot to say, I saw him on the second job. I said what about vitamin C? He said it is in meat, I guessed he'd say that.

Bill Aust said...

I couldn’t get onto the show today, so I rang Jim. I ran this stuff about Trump and Iran leader ganging up to kill the military guy. Like is on No AGenda, which I discovered from this website. Jim said highly unlikely, I thought he would, he had ignored my emails. Anyhow, I think it is the case. I remember when that Ahmadinejad was always going to america. The yanks put a guy in power before, so they would have to be mates with him.

KnownUnknown said...

I do agree with BREW that the 'in our face' droning is suspicious as hell. I mean, if he droned a Turkish or Russian General all hell would break loose...

Bill Aust said...

there were a couple of posts on info wars, they said the Iranis hated that guy who got killed,that they are forced to go about morning for him.That is aainst two things, how that guy was loved, and how the head leader there is good to the people. I have done jobs for Iranis, they are Bahai faith. They had to leave Iran because they say it's muslim or the highway, so Idoubt Fetzer etc are right, what a lovely place it is. They use reigion to control. Religions are pschyops. But I think there is a god, it's too complicated.

KnownUnknown said...

Fuck you Bill!! So now Iranians are bad (except Bahai nutcases) but 'not all Jews because good Jews are good'

KnownUnknown said...

Racist prick you turned out to be..

Bill Aust said...

Zap, ou are slow, not me. It is obvious there are good and bad Jews. It is too simple to blame the Jews for everything. But plenty of people say the Jews run everything. I was following the old book and didn't realise the word jew can apply to anyone who wants to take the lable could. But they are strict to themselves. There was a guy on the internet, he said he couldn't be a jew because his father , but not his mother was. Well I know (now) hoe they reversed it in about 1800AD, be like that. But the old book said the father, so were the ones before wrong or the ones after, and a lot of these are khazars etc. So any how, you can now not believe in god, not follow the ten commandments , kill people by the millions, but if your mother was a jew, you are a jew. Why can't some just say they are a jew? like chrisyains can??? It is all bullshit , anyway. just be a good person.

KnownUnknown said...

JFC you are slow! We told you all of that - over and over and over

Bill Aust said...

Same to you knownunknowm. You talk shit. If you read what I said you will see what I said , and it is not what you said I said. In fact:there are things I know I said, and there are things I know I did not say, and there things I know Iknow I said. There are good and bad in every race and religion, and often the bad guys have the power. Are there good yanks and bad yanks? a lot of people hate yanks, period, like what yoy try to say about jews.

Bill Aust said...

You are the prick , not me, there are good and bad in every race and religion, most muslims have to be muslims because of the family/state pressure. I say let people be muslim if they "want", not if they have to be. Same with any religion, it wasn't so long ago the protestants were killing the catholicss, and the catholics killing the pretestants. It is the same with all religions.

Bill Aust said...

Fuch you Knownunknow.

Chainsawmillerman said...

Well i feel enlightened now! Except for a couple things what are the known knowns and the
Known unknowns?

Bill Aust said...

Blame Rumsfeld
Rumsfeld's statement brought much fame and public attention to the concepts of known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns, but national security and intelligence professionals have long used an analysis technique referred to as the Johari window. The idea of unknown unknowns was created in 1955 by two American psychologists, Joseph Luft (1916–2014) and Harrington Ingham (1916–1995) in their development of the Johari window. They used it as a technique to help people better understand their relationship with themselves as well as others.

Bill Aust said...

Bullshiesen

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Bill Aust said...

And they say the muslims attacked europe for 1400 years. ANd loiks like they are invading the west now, but the west invaded them first. The elite wants evryone fighting each other, and the people of the world are stupid enough to follow. The people should realise they are being manipulated.

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KnownUnknown said...

Yeah and what we KNOW is you apologise for JEWS all day long! And throw everyone else under an unequivocal bus.

So again - fuck you!

If the fucking Bahai *have* to leave, how were they born there in the first place?? Idiot! They're the Jews of the Muslims. Like Mormons

zapoper said...

TO ALL ADMINS. BILL IS BANNED!

To Chainsaw. KnownUnknown was the first to change his pseudo name when we said that Unknowns were not allowed to comment here. If I'm not mistaken, I think he's Australian too.

zapoper said...

If Bill is not retarded and that is a big IF, then this is a new sort of trolling that I've never seen before.

zapoper said...

Morons out of Telaviv pretending to be dumb asses. ROFL

Bill Aust said...

You are the idiot, the abhai people I met were very nice people. The man that sold us our house was Iranian, I don't know what religion he was and I don't care. His boss was italian, the italian boss was an arsehole, we had to whisper , because he would listen to the sales talk and rip off the deal from the real estate agents. There are good italians and bad italians, and those in between. AFterall we are allhuman and we are all not perfect, some just try to be good, some don't care, and some try to be arseholes.

zapoper said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkzRNyygfk

Bill Aust said...

You are retarded Zoopooper

Bill Aust said...

Not me, you started the episode, by insulting me, is that why you have a website so you can insult them, then kick them off when they react. You say the jews abuse their pwoer, well you do too.

zapoper said...

If you're game Bill, my email is zapoper@gmail.com DUH!

Send me an email there and I will give you a link so that we can talk one on one.

Bill Aust said...

You are a total hypocrite, of the Pharasee mould, I learnt that term in the new testament, not the old,by the way

Bill Aust said...

DUH yourself

zapoper said...

Send me an email and let's talk

zapoper said...

That's why I say that you're slow dude. The DUH was not directed at you. It meant that the email was obvious.

Bill Aust said...

I am talking to you now on this blog, and I say you started the crap and you can't take your own treatment. One to one.

Bill Aust said...

You insult people and cannot take it when they dish it back. One on one.

zapoper said...

Let's talk one on one. Or is that beneath you?

Bill Aust said...

Fetzer agrees with me that there are good and bad inveery religion and every race. He said it on the show many times, and he says it when I ring him, if he answers.

KnownUnknown said...

Bill you've been insulting us for MONTHS to today jump in here and tell is you just fucking learnt about the matrilineal genesis and keeping the fucking Torah has nothing to do with it!

So, again, fuck yiu mate.

Bill Aust said...

We are talking one on one. Ban me I don't care.
I was ringing to try and say I agree with the "no agenda " theory that the leader of Iran and Trump wanted that guy dead, for Trump it was a dtsraction for him and narteyahu and for the iran boss, he was competition, I knew fetzer would not probably agree,because he never answered my emails and texts.
You have to insult me, fine you got your treatment.
I had not read your insults until adter I mentioned the meat guy.

Bill Aust said...

I also wanted to mention how the austraian government has paased a law in the lower house, and now it is the upper house, but so many citizens have complained that they are having an inquiry. The law is if you no a transaction that should include gst ie. abn company, one of thwo in the transaction,at least, yand the amount is ove $10000 , you bcan be jaied for up to 2 years.
So, I was not going to talk about who the elite are, at all.

Chainsawmillerman said...

Who is the meat man? and is there not vitamin C in abundance in liver? I have been eating it raw and abstaining from fruits and vegetables for some time and no scurvy here :)

zapoper said...

What insult? That you are slow?

Most people who visit mami's know that not all jews on the planet are evil. FFS

I don't understand your need to repeat obvious shit all the time.

Now if you will not talk to me one on one so that we can sort this shit out, you will be banned because what you've been doing is trolling.

End of story.

I'm calling you "No Balls Bill" from now one.

Bill Aust said...

Meat man is the client I was talking about to Brew, before I saw Zap had insulted me, then the others started insulting me, so they deserved everything they got. IHe masn't eaten meat for years, and he knows people who have lived for twent years only on meat. I was worried for his health, I wouldn't do it, but I have no problems eatung meat. I'm not religious anymore but the old testament says god said you could eat meat , after noah's ark, probably due to increase radiation after the rains , rainbow etc??.
Bill AustJanuary 13, 2020 at 2:37 AM
Brew, I have one for you. Evidentally this guy was sick, because he looks OK and his wife and him both said he is much better now. He gave me one job over the phone and told me, I said you might get scurvey. He said he's been doing it for years now, and knows people who have done it for twenty years. They only eat meat.

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Bill AustJanuary 13, 2020 at 2:40 AM
forgot to say, I saw him on the second job. I said what about vitamin C? He said it is in meat, I guessed he'd say that.

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zapoper said...

" but I have no problems eatung meat. I'm not religious anymore but the old testament says god said you could eat meat , after noah's ark, probably due to increase radiation after the rains , rainbow etc??. "

ROFLMFAO

zapoper said...

And you have a problem me calling you slow? ROFL

Chainsawmillerman said...

You remind me of the 911 Harley Davidson shirt guy who said the towers fell mainly due to structural failure because of the intense heat. bill, Was that you?

zapoper said...

I think it was a Harley Davidson cap and not a shirt but I could be wrong.

In any case, that guy was CIA LOL.

Bill Aust said...

You have no balls yourself. I have balls. I say what I think and I do not use a website as an excuse to insult people. You your too gutless to say what you said. You went along the anti jew stuff and never said that there are good and bad jews. You insulted me for saying it, and said the opposite. Why can't you say whatever you want to say in public. You have no balls, you do not speak youir mind at all. Now you say it is obvious, when you say the opposite, to fit in with all the haters.

Chainsawmillerman said...

LOL OK enough of this, I gota do some work. Nighty night fellas

zapoper said...

ROFL @ "No Balls Bill" WTF???

Chainsawmillerman said...

Harley Davidson Man

Bill Aust said...

You remind me of Larry SIlverstein, who said pullit

zapoper said...

The haters??? LOL

Bill Aust said...

Yes the haters.

Bill Aust said...

zapoper@gmail.com
what is it you want to say "in private" that you can't say in public?

Bill Aust said...

Show us your true colours?

Tez said...

Just read comments and haven't heard show yet,but pork is bad for you.Not because it's pork,but due to the preservative/flavour/colour enhancer sodium nitrite they add.Scores a 3 out of 0 to 4 ranking for health (0 being safe and 4 definitely not).Not promoting Wikipedia,but their write up seems genuine on this one and MSDS (material safety data sheets) from manufacturers will confirm toxic/carcinogenic and other health issues.That said i love a nice bacon butty or sandwich as most call them.While i'm here how's the anger management sessions working out for you Zap? You seem calmer lol.As for the good jew/bad jew debate then if you identify as a jew you embrace their belief system.You believe you're superior and destined to lord over the earth and the 'lesser' peoples.....debate closed....no GOOD in there!

zapoper said...

I just want to have a proper discussion one on one. You can tell much by talking with someone instead of typing in the comment section of site runned by a mad dictator like I am. LOL

Bill Aust said...

I believe what Fetzer says about 911, so stick that in your sarcastic puipe and smoke it

zapoper said...

ROFL Tez. Since you are around, I'm in the room waiting for Chris in Australia lol

zapoper said...

@ No Balls Bill

Everyone in here knows about 9/11 WTF?

And you're still wondering why I call you slow?

Bill Aust said...

You say what you want to me. You started the whole thing by insulting me. I can defend myself, second amendment in my own constitution.

KnownUnknown said...

@zap
Its a trap ;)

zapoper said...

You make low IQ niggers look good Bill. ROFL

Bill Aust said...

not everyone knows about 911. I have probaly talked to over a thousand people about it, only a few believe, some have seen the videos but dismiss it, most don't know. I have spent many years telling people

KnownUnknown said...

Bill you shat on Iran because of something fucking "job" you did - and you always do this shit "did this job". I'm starting to think you work for a lot of Zionist spooks because i work in Melbourne and all i come across are Indians and Chinese!

KnownUnknown said...

And i don't care about Iran in terms of the current government. I'm with Scorpio and BREW and Mona on that.

Bill Aust said...

It is not a trap
you lot are paranoid
I spread what I know
it has varied over the years
like "no planes" that I believe (Feyazer got it from that english guy)
You say "everybody knows" that is wrong
most people do not know

zapoper said...

I said everyone IN HERE knows about 9/11. Have you visited the site? FFS

zapoper said...

Good on ya Known

zapoper said...

Really. I've never encountered such weird trolling. Unless the guy is slow like I've been saying. LOL

Bill Aust said...

That is not true abouth everyone here, because anyone can come on the site. I was listening to a show on thte sie and they said the NO PLANES theory was for crazy people, because they saw the palnes and knew people who saw the planes.

Bill Aust said...

I am not a troll, I told you. ANd I am quite sane. You seem to have to ridicayule me and you can't take your won treatm,ent back.

KnownUnknown said...

FWIW Kyle's Solar Storm on the 5th is worth listening to on this.

Bill Aust said...

You insult people who do not deserve it, and you cannot take being insulted back. That makes you a hypocrite.

zapoper said...

@ KnownUnknown

email me at zapoper@gmail.com and I will send you a link to "the room". I'm still waiting for Chris in Australia and Terry in England.

zapoper said...

I'm ignoring "No Balls Bill" from now on. And he is banned.

Bill Aust said...

I am happy here, I only came on to say what I said. The rest is just you and your mates shit stirrung me and me getting even.

KnownUnknown said...

I also don't actually think Sinny is a tranny i just think she's mean lol

Bill Aust said...

All I said was I heard, the people don't like that guy who got shot, they were forced to moourn him. ANd i eblieive the leader of Iran and Trump ganged up on that guy,because Trump wanted a dstraction and the Leader saw him as competition. Just like most countries the corrupt leaders are to blame.

Bill Aust said...

You are the moron, not me

KnownUnknown said...

*forced to mourn him* is this North Korea? Use your fucking brain! Or at least don't get upset when you exasperate everyone else.

Bill Aust said...

YOu are the "no balls" you hide behind the power of "he is banned". You cannot take insults back , slow one

Bill Aust said...

Just say what you say , in public, or are you hading something, you don't have the guts to let the public know?????

Bill Aust said...

Bill AusJanuary 6, 2020 at 8:55 PM
From another blog:
By Karmel Melamed; Dear Friends, Many of you have asked me what the deal is with the Soleimani funerals... so I am sharing my information as an Iranian American journalist who is following this story closely. Please DO NOT believe the U.S. or Iranian regime media hype regarding the Soleimani funeral in Iran! Journalists and bloggers in Iran that I am in contact with have indicating to me today that people in Iran have been forced to attend his public funeral by the regime thugs or face imprisonment or even possibly being killed. Iranians in Iran fear for their lives that is why they have come out to the streets to "mourn". The regime has shut down schools, forced businesses to shut down and shut down public offices for this charade funeral! Children have been forced to cry for the TV cameras. It's a big show and a big production the Iranian regime has undertaken to show they are in control and the people of Iran supposedly "loved Soleimani". The regime has bused in Shiite supporters and their family members from Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria for this big production... so the crowds will look large for the cameras. The majority of people in Iran are quite happy this man who murdered innocent Iranians recently during the protests is dead. They are privately dancing and celebrating in their homes at the news of his demise. They are sadly under major duress from the regime and forced to come out for the funeral or face dire consequences! This is like any other major funeral in a brutal totalitarian dictatorship... remember Kim Jong Il's funeral in North Korea several years ago?! SAME DEAL here in Iran! R/t Evan.

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Bill AusJanuary 6, 2020 at 8:56 PM
from another Infowars blog
Apparently Iran is familiar with playing to the cameras. Linda Ellerbee, a one time correspondent for NBC News, was in Iran during the embassy hostage circus. She said that every morning about 10am Iran time, the crowd of "protesters" would start to arrive and group together because they knew that they had to put on their show and get filmed by the press because it would take time to get the film back to New York, edited, to be shown on the evening news. But the "protesters" in the crowd new that there was no sound, only pictures. Ellerbee said that the people would move their mouths like they were shouting and screaming, but they knew there was no reason to strain themselves by making any noise. She said that see this large crowd of people supposedly screaming but making no sound was really freaky.

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Bill Aust said...

Bill AusJanuary 6, 2020 at 8:39 AM
http://www.noagendashow.com/
makes the most sense
Trump did a deal with the Iran leader, gets rid of the Iran's leader threat to his leadership, distraction from Netanyahu&Trump's legal troubles.

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Bill AusJanuary 6, 2020 at 6:21 PM
The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d'état ......It was the first covert action of the United States to overthrow a foreign government during peacetime.

The yanks have meddled in Iran leadership before.
http://www.noagendashow.com has the right idea
this a staged event between Iran leader and USA
to stop a guy they both don't like. It also distracts
from Netanyahu and Trump legal problems.

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KnownUnknown said...

Fucking infowhores lol.

That's the stupidest thing ever heard Bill - any embassies reporting that or are they all in on it?

Fucking infowars in 2020?!?!?

Bill Aust said...

Now do you get it? Fetzer is wrong, No agenda is right,this time.

Bill Aust said...

It was not infowars, it was in the comments on infowars.

zapoper said...

I'm waiting for you KnownUnknown. I sent you the link.

Bill Aust said...

It makes sense to me. America has meddled in Iran leadership defore with taht coup

Bill Aust said...

????????

Bill Aust said...
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Bill Aust said...

zapoper said "Scorpio had the best equipment of them all"???????????????????????

Bill Aust said...

No balls zoopooper

zapoper said...

Now I know that you are an official troll playing for the other team. No one can be this dumb.

zapoper said...

I gave you enough rope and you hung yourself you dumb fuck.

Bill Aust said...

I told you I am not stupid or a troll. You insulted me and I insulted you back. You use your position of running a website to insult people and you can't take it back. You have no balls, you insult then say he is banned. You say email me, why do I want to email you, you insulted me and you got your own treatment back.

Bill Aust said...
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Bill Aust said...

You are the dumb fuch

zapoper said...

I'm ignoring you. LALALALLALALALALA I have my index fingers in my ears. LALALALLALALALA. ROFL

Bill Aust said...

I question their integrity

Scorpio said...

Biiiiiig chimping from Bill - lol

Bill Aust said...

Well don't insult me.

Bill Aust said...

Just replying to the insuts in kind, chimp yourself

Red Orchid said...

During a session of the Iraq legislature immediately after the assassination, Mahdi reported that the Americans had “ruined his country” and were now unwilling to repair Iraq’s electric grid and other infrastructure needs. Mahdi did what any self respecting leader would do; he signed a contract with Trump’s favorite trading partner to make the repairs. China already had an international reputation for providing necessary community infrastructure in Africa and elsewhere – wonder if they might visit Detroit and solve their water quality crisis.
Trump has vehemently opposed Iraq’s deal with China unless Mahdi would guarantee that 50% of Iraq’s oil revenue would go to the US. Mahdi refused and when he refused to reject the contract, he said that Trump “threatened to unleash huge demonstrations against me that would end my premiership”.

Mahdi continued “Huge demonstrations against me duly materialized and Trump called again to threaten that if I did not comply with his demands, then he would have Marine snipers on tall buildings target protesters and security personnel alike in order to pressure me. I refused again and handed in my resignation. To this day the Americans insist on us rescinding our deal with the Chinese.”
Mahdi says he was also “threatened with false-flag sniper shootings of both protesters and security personnel in order to inflame the situation” like what took place in Cairo in 2009, Libya in 2011, and the Maidan in 2014.
“After this, when our Minister of Defense publicly stated that a third party was targeting both protestors and security personnel alike (just as Trump had threatened he would do), I received a new call from Trump threatening to kill both me and the Minister of Defense if we kept on talking about this “third party”.

This commentary has appeared on a number of sites and by a handful of writers. it's a closer look at what the Trump administration is really up to

Scorpio said...

Bill, you obviously don't know what 'big chimping' means - lol

BREW said...

An error in leaving this post fresh in my browser, to wake and see 117 comments. ugh.

If the Solemani thing has done anything, its created a massive divide among the rest of us.

Elkins - I haven't been impressed by his faux outrage, the last 2 weeks, since the Solemani news - he hasn't waivered from the anger.

Mer- only attempted to bring balance to the conversation [I'll have to listen again], but Steve has his mind made up, so he'd rather be ruled by his anger, than other options.

Keith Rogers is logical, however he plays clips of people that keep citing September Eleven official narrative,byet we are supposed to filter out truth in other things they say.

I'd like a Trump rally where he did a Q&A with the audience, instead of talking at them with a bunch of rah rah bs, that many of us call out to be, bs.

gtg- I'm not into this mass blog/comment stuff.

Keep Safe and your head on a swivel.

Jew_ ron_im-o said...

Too much "Monkey Business"?

Bill Aust said...

You say Paul is chomping, all the time, chimps jump up and down seeking so that is what I think it's, whatever it is, same to you

Bill Aust said...

Too many insults

Bill Aust said...

If you remember they upset Brew at the start

BREW said...

I wasn't upset. Perplexed, maybe, but never upset.

zap forgot that I lost my sense of humor, and I'm fairly cold-hearted :: wink ::

zapoper said...

Do not engage Brew. Have you read the thread? It's pasted their bed time over there unless he's in Perth and we know he aint there but he is still going at it. The guy is doing overtime. LOL

zapoper said...

You did lose your sense of humor along the way Brew. I was so proud to have made you laugh one time on a private call. LOL

Scorpio said...

Bill - I'm a little surprised that you never took Zap up on his offer to talk privately.
It's a good way to learn where someone is really coming from.

Amanda said...

I haven't listened to this yet, but since Zap mentioned the plan and what happened, I thought I would post this:

https://www.sott.net/article/427303-Was-Iranian-Missile-Operator-Tricked-Into-Shooting-Down-The-Ukrainian-Airlines-Plane-Over-Tehran

Over at Sott.net they ask pertinent questions that shouldn't be forgotten:

"But what remains to be answered is how an air-defense system operator mistook a Boeing 737 for a cruise missile.

Unless it was fiddled with in some way [my italics], the Ukrainian Airlines jet's transponder should have told the operator of the TOR-1M system that the object he was seeing on his radar screen is a Boeing 737.

Additionally, the plane's appearance on his screen should have in no way surprised him - it was the TENTH flight out of Tehran's Khomeini Airport that night. Prior to Flight 752, the last flight movement there was the departure - from the same runway and in the same direction - of QR8408 at 05:39 local time.

Why then was the air-defense operator surprised by this flight?"

More posted here
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?101677-Iran-admits-it-shot-down-airliner-by-mistake

Sure looks like Trump is a full-blown NeoCon puppet. MAGA looks like NeoCons in red hats.

So much for all that talk about bringing the troops home--Iraq tells US to get out, Zion Don the Con Trump says screw you we're staying!

Amanda said...

Not sure if Trump was a NeoCon puppet all along, or whether having an impeachment knife to his neck helped him come out as full 100% NeoCon Puppet

https://www.sott.net/article/427213-WSJ-Trump-reportedly-told-associates-he-killed-Soleimani-due-to-GOP-pressure-before-impeachment-trial

Seems like just a couple of months ago he was talking about bringing the troops home, and just a couple of months ago he resisted a few times when they baited him to attack Iran (flying that drone in Iranian space, the BS with those mines in the gulf), but now he's fully on board with the war party and working hard at regime change.

I wouldn't be surprised if Pelosi and McConnell were tag teaming him. Pelosi holds back the articles, deep state gets sketchy story on the ground with supposed dead contractor in Iraq, McConnell/Graham go to Trump and say, we can't guarantee your acquittal in the Senate unless you get with the war party and have an aggressive response to those Iranian "Evil doers."

Red Orchid said...

@Amanda
The Ukrainian Boeing PS752 shot down by Iran was serviced two days before shot out of the sky. Perhaps something was installed to make it look like a missile?

Thanks for the SOTT links, I'll be checking them out later today.
I think the plane was tagged.

Come on Fetzer' talk about this in your next show.

Amanda said...

Red Orchid- thanks, interesting, didn't know that--anything is possible

I also found this which reminds me of the Dancing Israelis there at 9/11 to film the event--seems like camera guy for Iran plane crash had foreknowledge:

https://sputniknews.com/columnists/202001131078026961-iran-jet-disaster-setup/

The anonymous videographer is the person who caught the 19-second clip which shows a missile striking Flight PS752 shortly after take-off from Tehran’s Imam Khomenei airport at around 6.15 am. This person, who remains silent during the filming while smoking a cigarette (the smoke briefly wafts over the screen), is standing in the suburb of Parand looking northwest. His location was verified by the NY Times using satellite data. The rapid way the newspaper’s technical resources were marshaled raises a curious question about how a seemingly random video submission was afforded such punctilious attention.

But the big question which many people on social media are asking is: why was this “videographer” standing in a derelict industrial area outside Tehran at around six o’clock in the morning with a mobile phone camera training on a fixed angle to the darkened sky? The airliner is barely visible, yet the sky-watching person has the camera pointed and ready to film a most dramatic event, seconds before it happened. That strongly suggests, foreknowledge.

Given that something awful has just been witnessed it is all the more strange that the person holding the camera remains calm and unshaken. There is no audible expression of shock or even the slightest disquiet
...
Turns out that Nariman Gharib, the guy who received the video and credited by the NY Times for submitting it, is a vociferous anti-Iranian government dissident who does not live in Iran. He ardently promotes regime change in his social media posts.

Christiaan Triebert, the NY Times’ video expert, who collaborated closely with Gharib to get the story out within hours of the incident, previously worked as a senior investigator at Bellingcat. Bellingcat calls itself an independent online investigative journalism project, but numerous critics accuse it of being a media adjunct to Western military intelligence. Bellingcat has been a big proponent of media narratives smearing the Russian and Syrian governments over the MH17 shoot-down in Ukraine in 2014 and chemical weapons attacks.

In the latest shoot-down of the airliner above Tehran, the tight liaison between a suspiciously placed anonymous videographer on the ground and an expatriate Iranian dissident who then gets the prompt and generous technical attention of the NY Times suggests a level of orchestration, not, as we are led to believe, a random happenstance submission. More sinisterly, the fateful incident was a setup.
...

However, with the electronic warfare (EW) technology that the United States has developed in recent years it is entirely feasible for enemy military radars to be “spoofed” by phantom objects. One such EW developed by the Pentagon is Miniature Air-Launched Decoy (MALD) which can create deceptive signals on enemy radar systems of incoming warheads.
https://cdn3.img.sputniknews.com/ima...1078008309.jpg

What we contend therefore is this: the Americans exploited a brink-of-war scenario in which they anticipated Iranian air-defense systems to be on a hair-trigger. Add to this tension an assault by electronic warfare on Iranian military radars in which it would be technically feasible to distort a civilian airliner’s data as an offensive target. The Iranian military has claimed this was the nature of the shoot-down error. It seems plausible given the existing electronic warfare used by the Pentagon.

Red Orchid said...

@Amanda
Read the article and comments, sure does look like someone had a hand in making Ukrainian Airlines PS752 look like a missile.

Probably done by same people who brought down MH17

jerry said...

Just a few weeks ago we were reading how Netanyahu wanted a mutual defense pact with the US ... now he's saying that the drone strike on Gen Sulameni was an ENTIRELY US thing. Israel had nothing to do with it. Who wants to have a mutual defense pact with a government like that?

Google Benjamin Freedman ... he gave a speech at the Willard Hotel in 1961. He'll tell ya all about Israel and their intentions for the US.

Bill Aust said...

He can say what he wants on this chat. I only came to this chat to get the Fetzer show mp3 to listen, if I miss the show. I have seen Zap hang it Fetzer and me for what we said on the show, like this last time except I couldn't get on the show.. I was asleep on the last comments but someone sent me spam text and it woke me up, it was after 1am. As I said to you once, I think he said you wre Nick Kollorstorm (or something like that) the guy in england who wrote the book about newton, and is braded a by the media, he did the railway station thing too. You were always saying Paul is chimping, on this blog.

Bill Aust said...

well that is how it looked.

Red Orchid said...

@Amanda
And apparently the guy responsible for shooting down PS752 couldn't contact his superiors and only had 10 seconds of independent thought and chose to shoot down.

The guy really did believe he was shooting down a missile. Iran is using old Russian technology to monitor Iranian skies, according to SOTT.

Bill Aust said...

I like that speech.

Bill Aust said...

It may have some points that are debatable, but he was a jew (and I mean a former jew, as it says) so he has sincerity and authority.

Bill Aust said...

looks like 911. The guys were in the right place to film WTC1 being hit, and bush saw it before he went into primary school.
One "no plane" theory had cloaking of a missile.

Bill Aust said...

"The Jews -- I call them Jews to you, because they are known as Jews. I don't call them Jews. I refer to them as so-called Jews, because I know what they are. If Jesus was a Jew, there isn't a Jew in the world today, and if those people are Jews, certainly our Lord and Savior was not one of them, and I can prove that.

Now what happened? The eastern European Jews, who form 92 per cent of the world's population of those people who call themselves Jews, were originally Khazars."

-he says Jesus was a Jew, there isn't a Jew in the world today"
the he says that 92% are Khazars, but as wikipedia even says there is a perrcentage
On kevin Barretts blogs people talk abou the other types of jews , and how even there is desbate over who did what. For example, one guy said and older type of jews made the khazars look like they did stuff they didn't, a false flag, but another disagrees

Amanda said...

Red- Yes, I heard that 10 seconds to make a monumental decision

I have NO DOUBT the (((usual suspects)) had a hand in this

The tell for me is that the JDIF infests the threads on this over at zerohedge--as soon as I see that, I know they had a hand in it

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I meant to say fetzer should compare Fetzer that iranian guy who gt killed to General Paton (not MacArthur) who was killed by the allies, not the enemy.
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/the-death-of-george-patton-was-americas-most-controversial-general-assassinated.html
General George S. Patton was one of the most controversial and flamboyant American military leaders of World War II. He commanded the U.S. 7th Army in North Africa and Sicily and the U.S. 3rd Army in France and Germany.

He died following a road accident in Germany in December 1945, but since the 1970s there have been persistent rumors that he was actually assassinated.

Red Orchid said...

@Amanda
I mean, it's pretty obvious really, if Iran shoots down a civilian aircraft, any civilian aircraft, least of all one carrying a bunch of Iranians departing from Tehran, it must be because the enemy (the enemy of all mankind) fooled them into doing so.

It's a simple hypothesis and the only one that makes sense to me.

Any chance the MSM will cover this angle? That's a joke!

Bill Aust said...

They say Kadafi did not shoot down that Lockerbie plane, but he took the blame. They say the Iranians did it, because of revenge for a plane of theirs, that america shot down.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/lockerbie-bombing-is-the-work-of-iran-not-libya/
‘Lockerbie bombing was the work of Iran, not Libya’
In new documentary, former Iranian spy says Khomeini ordered the attack in retaliation for accidental US strike on Iranian plane

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Bill Aust said...

I meant to say, Fetzer always says Kadafi did not do Lockerbie.

Amanda said...

Well, since you mentioned Lockerbie...

I think that this was actually a CIA vs CIA issue, with some in the CIA catching others in the CIA running drugs out of the Bekka Valley (something like that). The “good” guys were heading back to DC with evidence of the drugging running, so the CIA bad guys blew them out of the sky. Susan Lindauer also says this is the case:

[2011 March] Libya's Blood for Oil: The "Vampire" War by Susan Lindauer On the day it was blown out of the sky, Pan Am 103 was carrying that team of CIA and FBI investigators, the CIA's Deputy Chief assigned to Beirut, and three Defense Intelligence officers, including McKee and Gannon, on their way to Washington to deliver a report on the CIA's role in heroin trafficking, and the impact on terrorist financing and the hostage crisis. In short, everyone with direct knowledge of CIA kickbacks from heroin trafficking died on Pan Am 103. A suitcase packed with $500,000 worth of heroin was found in the wreckage. It belonged to investigators, as proof of the corruption

http://www.whale.to/b/lockerbie_h.html

http://www.whale.to/c/lockerbie.html

Libya and Lockerbie: The Untold Story (these people also say CIA drug running—apparently the insurance company for the airline hired some investigative company “Interfax” (something like that) with former intel officers. Their conclusion was it was CIA vs CIA—apparently, the only newspaper in the entire world that covered the finding was the Toronto Star. I found this audio years ago when I was looking into the Iraq war—they are lefties, but Anti-zio. The best info I’ve heard on this topic (sometimes the left gets it right).

http://takingaimnow.com/mp3/takingaim030902.mp3

Bill Aust said...

So you think the CIA did Lockerbie, who did this one in Iran?

Bill Aust said...

Murder is murder. Mass murder is worse.

Chainsawmillerman said...

72 posts by Bill Aust. Well done Bill!

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Amanda said...

Bill- This is going to be my last response here

I think the psychopathic (((US))) tricked Iran
https://www.sott.net/article/427303-Was-Iranian-Missile-Operator-Tricked-Into-Shooting-Down-The-Ukrainian-Airlines-Plane-Over-Tehran

All part of their regime change operation. IMO this was set in motion by Fat War Pig Pompeo and Bibi. Trump said he would act if there was a dead American, so Fat War Pig Pompeo and Bibi set up the story about dead US contractor (33 yr old guy--story could be fake story for all we know). Then Trump puppet responds with air strikes, kills maybe 25, wounds 50. Iraqis get justifiably angry and storm the (((US))) embassy, so the lying psychopathic US says its "Iranian- backed" militias storming the army, so then Trump puppet assassinates Soleimani (the hero General who defeated the child-beheading ISIS terrorists sent by the (((US)))/Israel), which outrages Iran, so they retaliate with strikes on the (((US))) embassy, and then the (((US))) tricks them into hitting their own plane, which then gives a reason for the pre-planned CIA protestors. Just the usual regime change operation--I'm sure they game theoried this out.

I also think this has something to do with impeachment hanging over his head (could be wrong, but seems like he's suddenly come out as a full NeoCon puppet)

My thoughts are in the comment section here:
https://www.sott.net/article/427213-WSJ-Trump-reportedly-told-associates-he-killed-Soleimani-due-to-GOP-pressure-before-impeachment-trial#comment290517

Maybe you might want to join a forum like this one:
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?101677-Iran-admits-it-shot-down-airliner-by-mistake&p=959566&viewfull=1#post959566
We need more members, and it seems a better place for commenting than here at mamis