Sunday, July 21, 2019

The Raw Deal With Jim Fetzer 2019.07.21

James Henry Fetzer (born December 6, 1940) is a philosopher of science and conspiracy theorist. Since the late 1970s, Fetzer has worked on assessing and clarifying the forms and foundations of scientific explanation, probability in science, philosophy of mind, and philosophy of cognitive science, especially artificial intelligence and computer science.

Today: The moon landing and callers (kirk, Bill Australia, William, and Paul who eventually got kicked off the call by Jim).
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Bill Aust said...

Paul is confused, but William is too.
The earth is round (a sphere) they knew this and the size before Columbus. Columbusly had the size as half its real size, he would not believe the king of Portugal orthe king&queen is spain. The flat earth theory is there to make truthers look stupid. W

I tell people 911 was an inside job, they now sometimes say , I suppose you think the earth is flat, as opposed to jim's line, and I suppose you didn't go to the moon either?

The simplest way to look a the orbits is look from outside the solar system, the earth goes around the sun, the moon goes around the earth.
The "dark" side of the moon always faces the earth. The "dark" of the moon is NOT DARK all of the time. It is confusingly called dark. The dark side actually can vary fully lit to not lit by the sun, as it rotates with respect to the sun. This is the the phases of the moon, full, new , etc.
Paul is confused on that.

Remember Nick Kollerstrom said the back of the moon sticks out and nobody really understands the moon).

William said the moon does not rotate about the earth, but the sun only, this is wrong.

If you put the earth as the centre of the solar system, you spirals type orbits ( I remember from school or somewhere). These spirals are not wrong but confusing and it is better to just look from outside the solar system. I think that is why William got confused. The moon does orbit the earth, the earth orbits the sun (with the moon orbiting the earth, thus the sun too).

Bill Aust said...

Those phases of the moon are given for the side of the moon we see (the side opposite the dark side) but the similar (but opposite) would apply to the dark side.

Panzerfaust said...

Bill is exactly correct. Paul was assuming a partial lunar eclipse.
Everyone has an ego and it must be held in check if one honestly seeks answers and not mere self-affirmation. Paul loses control to his ego because his ego is under attack. Maybe if I had a voice and eloquence approaching his I would fall into the same trap but I do not.

Jim you have improved in this regard over shows past far enough far enough. Your cutting off communication with me over a pic of Trump & Ivanka displays a similar issue; the inability to process and acknowledge as valid information which contradicts tightly held assumptions of personal relationships among powerful people you hold or once held in esteem. Do not congratulate yourself as an open minded person because that is not the case. Psychopaths excel in the political realm, most of our past Presidents have been psychopaths. Witness the bloody record of history.

Now I am prepared to issue a challenge to you or snyone provided the mic control be held by a third party in order to moderate the inevitable talking over and shouting.

Jackie shot Jack. The Zapruder film proves it. The film had cut scenes but it is not a fabrication. No one gets shot in the trachea from the front without immediate paralysis due to the fact the bullet MUST intersect the cervical.spine before exit.
Jack was experiencing a drug induced laryngospasm

Are you prepared to set your ego aside and confront the real possibility you have been led down a false rabbit hole on this issue? You have my email

Panzerfaust said...

zapoper said...

This video is unavailable sorry.

KnownUnknown said...

Synodic and sidereal months...

Panzerfaust said...

YouTube isn't publishing it for some reason will have to sort it out tonight.
Only have time right now to drop these links:

The commentary on the video I shall repost later.

uncle28 said...

Anyone got a decent link to the Winston Wu article, “The Apollo Moon Hoax: 35 Proofs We Didn’t Go,” Fetzer recommends here:

His link doesn't work and Penn Magazine archives, 'all issues' don't go back to Feb 2018.

I'd also invite discussion on the comment thread below that article. No-one points out that his link to Wu's article, which is the primary reason for the blog post, does not work! What are the chances of no-one in a long comments thread helpfully pointing that out if these are all good folks? What are the chances if these are all just trolls pretending to genuinely have their dumb, off-topic arguments?

Red Orchid said...

Giuliani reckons Jackie did him in. But then there are others who believe his death was hoaxed.

Panzerfaust said...

Close up and slowed down final seconds of JFK's life. You can see Jackie look to Gov Connolloy who gives her the go-ahead. Jack is choking due to a drug inducrd laryngospasm. There is no visible stream of blood and no cevidence of cervical spine or spinal cord compromise with associated loss of motor function and ability to keep the head upright as would be expected by a shot from the front (grassy knoll). Jackie leans him down and towards het, Jack cooperates. She fires from below his chin on the opposite side (reduces the splatter and possibility of ricochet injury to herself). His facial tissue degloves upward and his head recoils back. Only then do the Governor and Lady Bird react to genuine gunfire as a backup sniper loses patience and fires, striking Connolly. Jackie climbs on the trunk as she is a primary target.

This is how the first shot occurred. Greer gives the coup de grace in the underpass out of sight.

Panzerfaust said...

Question never asked: Why did the Soviets build the N1 at trenendous cost in Rubles, manhours, and lives if the Moon was unobtainable? Why didn't they blow the whistle on an Apollo hoax and rescue their prestigue while diminishing that of their competitor?

Bill Aust said...

When I rang in at the end I accidentally said at one stage ( not originallY) the moon orbits the sun, I meant to say the moon orbits the earth.

zapoper said...


It has been removed from

zapoper said...

Because the soviets and the USA were/are being controlled by the same "people".

Why does any other country expose 9/11? Same reason. We can go on and on.

KnownUnknown said...

@zap Japan and Malaysia tried, Russia not so much!

zapoper said...

Anyway. I'm sure that you get my point.

Around 2003, I posed the same question as uncle28 to a friend of mine who was going on about the landings being fake. His response was similar to the one I wrote here but at the time, I didn't "get it". Approximately five years later, I finally understood what he was saying.

Panzerfaust said...

I've thought about that, it's possible. If Putin has irrefutable 9/11 intel its a tremendous trump card that he may be holding back or using as blackmail. Perhaps this is why Trump, who is surrounded by 9/11 perps and who is an Israeli puppet, was so eager to establish better relations with Russia.

Neil in Florida said...

To see if the shadow on the daytime moon makes sense, hold a small ball up next to the moon in direct sunlight, the shadows on the moon and ball will be the same.