“I don’t think hell exists,” said The Right Reverend John Shelby Spong. “I happen to believe in life after death, but I don’t think it’s got anything to do with reward and punishment.”
Spong is a retired American bishop of the Episcopal Church, and from 1979 to 2000 was the Bishop of Newark in New Jersey, USA.
He shared his view that hell was invented by the Church in order to control people and his comments have since gone viral, reaching tens of millions of people worldwide (see video below).
Religion invents ideas and concepts just like any creative human enterprise. Some of these ideas have helped many people find meaning and fulfilment from their lives. Yet many of the concepts invented by religion have aimed to get people to conform to a system of behaviors that guarantee an intangible reward in the afterlife.
As Spong says:
“Religion is always in the control business and and that’s something people don’t really understand. It’s in the guilt-producing control business and if you have heaven as a place where you’re rewarded for your goodness and hell is a place where you’re punished for your evil then you have control of the population.”
https://ideapod.com/hell-invented-church-claims-bishop/
Hasta la Pasta
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I Listened to the First 3 minute one. ;-)
He WEARS a collar ... and says: "I don't think ..."
THIS might sound "Extreme" ...
But WE would HAVE to KNOW:
WHETHER HE was using-his-positionof-"Authority" ... over the Last 30-40 Years to:
"Prey" on Children !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-o
--> OBVIIOUSLY, IF THIS were the "CASE" ... WE SHOULD NOT care to "Listen":
To ANYTHING that emerges from HIS "Hypocrite"-MOUTH !!!
As for ALL of the "Theological" Points brought-Up ...
And that "Religion" is a System of Control ...
Fathers, and the FAMILIES ... are systems of control! ;-)
I was Listening to Sven ...
https://www.radioalbion.com/2020/10/truth-will-out-radio-slavery-in-south.html
Describing how Truly Fair and KIND: "Slavery" (they HAD (quite a bit of)-MONEY! :-o ) WAS ...
Sven used the Example of MARRIAGE ... Out of Millions of MARRIAGES ...
THOUSANDS of Husbands will be Found: To be Ill-Treating Their Wives !!!
--> "Outliers" ... Do NOT: "DISPROVE" the: Norm / "Rule" !!! ---- Dhuh !!!!!!!
"Brainiac"-Naggers ...
The AVERAGE IQ in Africa of "Africans" ... is 65 to 70 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
An 85 IQ for THEM would be: a quite RARE thing!
In USA the average "Black" IQ is SAID to be: 85 ...
A 100 IQ for THEM would be: Quite RARE !!!
WHITES' IQ Average is around 100 ...
IF a White foolishly "Projects" that a Black-classmate ... is "SMARTER" than Them ...
Well, IF they ACTUALLY (Indoctrinatedly)-"THINK" that ...
-- Maybe: In THIS "case" .... it is "True" ;-)
(That's a CRUEL-biting-"Joke"! ;-) -- With the TRUTH ... even THAT White would Soon SEE Their Extreme-ERROR!)
Now IF one WANTS a "Universal" "Christian" Religion ...
Such that CAN: "Embrace" and "con-vert": BLACK-Africans ...
--> One would "NEED" superficial-Rituals ...
Of which a BLACK of 65-70 (and LOWER! -- that is the Average!) IQ ...
COULD: "Monkey SEE, Monkey DO" (WITHOUT: "Impulse Control" / "Long Term Picture") IMITATE !!!
(Sven DESCRIBES this Ability of Blacks etc. to IMITATE (while surrounded by) WHITES !!!)
--> IF, However, one WANTED to form a "Religion" which REQUIRED Decades of intense REAL-Study, and TRUE-"Out-of-the-Box":
SEEKING, and step-by-Step Approaching closer and closer to: The WITHOUT-"Contradictions"-TRUTH ...
Well, You would NOT "Find" very many "Takers", and after Decades ... even LESS who had Greatly Succeeded !!! :-o
BUT, as the TRUTH is indeed WRITTEN-in-OUR-(WHITE-Folks')-"Hearts" ...
WHITES are FAR More LIKE Kind-Friendly "Sheep" / Angels .... than: Cruel-Selfish "Wolves" "Demons" !!!
--> THUS: WHITE-Folks' are ALL (even the "Atheists" ones!) intrinsically "Christians" .....
BY Our Generation-Handing-Down: Family-Traditions, and GROUP-Consciousness Collective-KNOWING !!!
----> Maybe the GREATEST "Heresy" ... is for WHITES (who are thus "Christians") to be:
GRATEFUL and "Proud" of BEING CREATED GREAT / Truly-HUMAN by-"God" ...
And Our soooo Generously and KINDLY having been Bequeathed-Such: by Our Parents' "simple" LOVE !!!
Thus, being ALREADY: "Born-from-ABOVE" BORN "Christians" ...
Perhaps even 90% of OUR Quest to Step-by-Step GROW CLOSER to "God-the-Father" (WHO, unlike the Sun, and Moon, IS indeed ABOVE the "Dome"!) ...
Is to "simply" BE GRATEFUL, and to CAREFULLY-PRESERVE and Enhance these GREAT "Free*"-GIFTS ...
(*We "OWE" to Our-Parents ... to in-Our-Turn: DO the SAME for OUR wonderful Children, and Grand-Children!)
--> To NOT: "Take Drugs", commit-(miscegenation)-Adultery, to NOT Gamble-AWAY ...
WHAT Our GREAT-Ancestors sooo "Painstakingly" GENEROUSLY-Bequeathed TO: US, and ALL FUTURE-Generations !!!
The ultimate "Heresy" !!!? ;-)
Certainly: OUR Loving-Parents, and Theirs, and Theirs ... BACK ....
ARE indeed the "Epitome" of (((forbidden)))-"Most-EVIL": "Racism" !!! -- As THEY were ALL WHITE-"Nazis" !!! :-o
To be GRATEFUL and "PROUD" of WHO WE were CREATED-to-BE, and What was Generously-so-Kindly-Handed-DOWN to US ...
To, in OUR Turn, OURSELVES carefully HAND-Down to OUR wonderful Children, and Grand-Children!
-- And, Yes! -- The "Swastika", the SYMBOL of OUR-Great-White-Folks ...
Is the SYMBOL of OUR Supreme-God, "God-the-FATHER" ...
ABOVE the "Dome", in WITHOUT-CONTRADICTIONS ("Duality"): PURE GOODNESS (Sudha Satva) (of the Aether -- ie "Eternal") HAPPY HEAVEN :-)
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(White-Moon : Mysterious-Dark-Transcendent-Sun : Gold-Sun)
Part-1:
It is said that the FIRST Church was in Britain !!!
And that THESE "Christians", some having Moved-to-Rome, Converted the "Pagan"-Romans! :-o
Certainly the Overall DESCRIPTION:
Western-"Rome" Catholics-("Universal") with Their TRANSLATED into LATIN "Bible"
Eastern-Constantinople "Orthodox" with Their GREEK and Cyrillic "Bible"
Protestants (From Duped-by-Evil-"clever"-jews Martin-Luther 500 years ago)
"Identity" ...
Of "Christians", and the "Christian"-"Bible" ...
-- Saul the GREATEST-PERSECUTOR-of-Christians, in-a-"Vision" (Which no-one else Saw!) "Becoming": the "Greatest-Apostle", and "Superseding":
The STILL: LIVING-and-PREACHING: REAL-and-PERSONALLY-TAUGHT-BY-JESUS-Disciples' Teachings ...
"NOT by "works ... but by "Faith" alone ..." !!! :-o :-o :-o
Would LEAD the WISE to:
RATHER than BeLIEve:
"Modern-Science" ...
("Big-Bang", Globe-Earth, Darwinian-Evolution, Germs-"Viruses"-Invading-and-TRYING-to-KILL-us! etc!)
OR:
"WRITTEN THOUSANDS of Years Ago" and "Translated"-from-Language-to-Language-without-a-jot-or-tittle-Changed" ...
WE should / MUST Now: LOOK to the Without-Contradictions-TRUTH: WRITTEN / Built-Into OUR (WHITES') "HEARTS" ...
--> Which "Christianity" ... ACTUALLY: Comes Down From: OUR Family-Traditions, and GROUP-Consciousness Collective-KNOWING!
Part-2:
WHITES are "Inspired", almost "Forced" to Step-by-Step Inspiredly-CREATE (5% Inspiration, 95% Perspiration) ...
"MUSES" inspire not only OUR "Music" but ALL: Artistic, and Useful-Practical Technological-Improvements!
(Modern-"Science" and Technological-Improvements IS Actually: From "Séance": "Divining"/"Channeling" the CREATORS of the Left-Over Pre-Mud-Flood Technologies! [NO! Folks with iPhones are-NOT: the "SMARTEST" People to ever walk-the-Earth!])
ONCE we have even-BEGUN: To Experience the Joyful-Purposeful-FLOW: Of Step-by-Step: CREATING, and of UPLIFTING those we CARE-About ...
-- Even "just" SEEING: The Terrible Barbaric-DESTRUCTION: of OUR Wonderful-KIND-GENEROUS-Uplifting-Societies ... is Very Very PAINFUL !!! :-o
Conversely: (Being "Black" / jew etc.) WITHOUT Having EVER even Experienced / Seen-a-Glimmer: Of STRONG-POWERFUL-PURPOSEFUL-JOYFUL-CREATION ...
Being Soooo: "Ignorant" Brutally-STUPID: so as to "PROUDLY"-"BeLIEve": that YOU are "Equally"-("Superiorly"!!! :-o)-SMART-"HUMAN" !!!
BEING BORN WITHOUT a (WHITE)-"SOUL" (Empathy-[Tempered-with-the-Long-Term-Good!], "Impulse-Control", "Future-Preference"/"Deferred-Gratification"), and "Taking-Drugs" to Become: Totally-"DEMON"-Possessed ...
THEY can ONLY: Terribly BRUTALLY "POWERFULLY" DESTROY: ALL that is: GOOD : BEAUTIFUL : TRUE !!! :-(
BUILDING a House Takes: Step-by-Careful-Step Building: Foundations, Walls, Roof etc. ... Over Months / Years of Creative-WORK!
"jewish-Lightening" / "BLM" (Burn, Loot, Murder) with just cans-of-fuel and matches can QUICKLY over just HOURS: BURN-DOWN DESTROY ... WHOLE CITIES ... and GENERATIONS of WORK History, and Learning !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-o
(And a Stab of a Knife [or 20 Black-"Protestors" Jumping-ON and Stomping-OUT]: a PRECIOUS-WHITE-LIFE!)
LOVING WHITE-Parents Step-by-Careful-Step: FEED their Precious-Children: Home-cooked Nutritious: Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner ...
Hugging and Kissing, Conversing, Teaching, Home-Schooling, Reading "Fairytales" before Happy-Dreams, and Step-by-Step: RAISING Them UP ... For 20 Years! :-)
A ((("stranger"))) can / Will: "cleverly" LURE such an INNOCENT-Child: "Into-(((their)))-Car" ... and They will NEVER be SEEN AGAIN !!! :-o
ANY "Christianity" that "PREACHES": Miscegenation, and a "Foolish" Totally-FALSE, and EVIL ((("idea"))) of "Equality" ...
--> And ACTIVELY: FEEDS / BREEDS: Billions of "Non-Whites", and BRINGS-Them-INTO OUR Formerly Wonderful-WHITE-Communities ...
Is NOT "Christianity" at-ALL ....... But indeed EVIL-DESTROYING-ALL-that-is-GOOD --> Hell-Bent: INSANITY !!!
The most ((("Forbidden"))) idea:
--> It is NOT: crazy-"cleverly"-formulated-to-Poison-and-DESTROY-((("ideas")))-((("isms")))
-- That WE "should" be "Proud"-of, or Cling-to, or Fight and DIE "over"! ...
But, indeed: OUR FOLKS, OUR WHITE Peoples ....
OUR WHITE-PEOPLES, And ALL about US that MADE / MAKES US:
FUNDAMENTALLY-GREAT ... and DESTINED for HEAVEN ...
Whilst, "Gardener Like" in THIS Short-LIFE: Making THIS World, Step-by-Careful-Step: Into A Garden-Paradise:
Where SUSTAINABLY Over-GENERATIONS: Forests, Fruit-Trees, Fields, and Pastures ... PROVIDE: "Free from God" ...
What WE NEED: To Build-UP: Warm Safe Cozy HOMES, Strong Beautiful Physical-Bodies and Families,
-- And a WISE VISION: Of the "Un-Erasable"-HEAVENLY-REALM: Of GOODNESS : BEAUTY : TRUTH
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weren't usurers and sodomites in the same circle of hell in Dantes inferno?
Usurers were sodomized in hell in Dantes Inferno
@Albert- I too like listening to Sven and his friend William Fink.
Christianity for the Thinking Man
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@ Chainsaw -- THANKS !!! :-)
I OPENED a New-Browser-Window with the Christogenea web-site :-)
(There are LOTS of Audio-Talks!)
--> I LISTENED to: the FIRST: 14 minutes of YOUR "Here": Homosexual-Alt-Right Audio-Expose ...
But THEN it FROZE !!! :-(
The PLAYER WOULDN'T Allow me to Restart at 14 minutes !!!
And It WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD either !!! :-(
Do You HAVE: Another-LINK* ??? :-)
I really Enjoy: MANY of YOUR Links / Recommendations !!! :-) :-) :-)
And I have ALSO "Found" MANY GOOD: DELETED-Commentators' NEW-Channels ... FROM: YOUR: on-the-ball: WIDE-Audio/Podcaster-AWARENESS, and un-daunted: "Sharing"! :-)
* HEY !!!
I just scrolled-DOWN: the Christogenea web-site and FOUND: the Above-Mentioned Podcast !!!
The Player STILL wouldn't Allow me to Fast-Forward to the 14 minute mark ...
BUT it DOWNLOADED in just 7 seconds !!!
So I can NOW use MY Player, which DOES of course Allow: Forward and Backwards Skipping !!! :-)
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Birth pangs of the Coming Age
Wait the church admits that they invented hell? And this is some kind of amazing revelation? It's amusing. That's about all.
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